Going to be taking an extended break from YC

Luna Pixu

Luna Pixu

Mediator

Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 1745

06/07/2014, 11:57 AM #11
While I'm not the wisest person nor am I considered a person with sufficient weight in this community, I do have to say a few things about this.

I do understand where you are coming from with this. I can see how there are points where the community sometimes has its own layering to it. How people on the inside are more likely to be asked about projects being worked on by builders while others are left completely in the dark. While this sounds extreme and unfair, let me clarify what I mean by this and what tends to go on.
In a conversation I had with Krittercon one time, he told me that "unless a player grabs my attention early on, I usually ignore them." (This is an imperfect quote and Krittercon has the right to yell at me if it's wrong). This is a practice that, while blunt and maybe unfair, does make sense. Unless a person does something early on, people have a low chance of remembering them and ergo has greater apathy towards speaking to them. If you don't talk around or make a lasting impression, it's understandable that the chances of being included in something are lessened.

Note how I said lessened. If you do not make a first impression, it does not mean you are screwed. It is still possible to be included on something, you just have to say something. Try to get friendly with the staff. I myself have (or had, if you count the fact that I self-exiled in January/February and have barely returned) done both. I was lucky to make myself known during my first months here. I could owe the honour of getting me there to people like Katrix/Satori, Leon, and others but it's simply an unknown. It could also be the Keychain birthday build, Cards Against Humanity, or Civ 5 game nights. But it's truly unknown. I also took the time to try to get on the good side of staff. Krittercon (now questionable), Snoop (now questionable), Keychain (extremely questionable), Remi, Snow, maybe even Mamizou (still miss that Tanuki...), and maybe some others. These are the ones that I remember from November to February. I didn't list ones that had been promoted like Katrix or Alayo and I haven't listed those that I only recently have made attempts to get to know. (Sorry, Tewi. Really sorry.)
Due to my slightly unannounced self-exile and my actions, it is fair to say that some of these staff relations are now questionable. Some because I have not talked to them or I feel I may have completely vexed them. These people may know who they are. But I will not say unless they ask for it.

This brings me onto my next big point. Staff hatred. Getting the staff to hate you is a hard thing if it's unintentional. Trust me. You can make hiccups, say a bad thing or two, and they'll still be fine. Some are more easygoing than others but the general consensus is that the staff will only hate you if you want them to. You really have to be asking for it to get on their bad side. If the staff weren't the way they are today, I would be long gone. I literally would be. That or I would have been so a week or two ago. Saying that, I know a couple of staff (past or present) would want to pick a bone with me. So if you say "the staff generally doesn't like me" then you are either completely wrong or you have done things to SERIOUSLY tick off the staff. And I highly believe that the latter is untrue.

And advancements and promotions? I'm certain that it's not a dictatorship or a system based on favouritism as to how one gets promoted. Generally speaking, you just have to be a nice guy, show that you care, and show that you are interested in a possible promotion (in a way that doesn't deter people from promoting you).

Saying that, while I would LOVE to get a promotion, I am generally fine with being fixed as a Senior or Elder (if I ever do get either). The thought of being depended upon to build stuff in Gensokyo is unbearable. I would love to have it as an optional thing (like how Mediators have it) and not being tasked with building things on the spot. "Why don't you just say that you would rather be a mediator or something like that?" you may ask to which I give a major deadpan stare. Have you looked at the number of Mediators? And have you looked at the number of promotions to mediator over the last 6 months? None! There have been none! This is an obvious sign that the staff are most likely content with the number right now and do not desire any more Mediators. That or the criteria is on an impossible scale.

Ok. That is an over-exaggeration and not my true opinion but that is most likely what is rushing through your mind when you think of the criteria to become a builder. While I am not one to say, I do believe that it is not hard at all. Yeah, you do need talent and dedication but I highly doubt that there are no vacancies on the builder team and I doubt that it is "full" or highly restricted. No way in hell. Make your desires known, show you give a damn, and don't pout about the "impossibility" of a promotion.

I think that's really all I have to say. Unsure if it'll be helpful or whether it'll bring harm but those are my opinions on the matter. Your situation is HIGHLY understandable but I think you are pushing yourself down big time (and that's my job). At least you were open with your opinions but I think this could have been avoided if you had spoken sooner about your desires.
Last edited by Luna Pixu; 06/07/2014, 12:14 PM.
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LiShengshun

LiShengshun

Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 94

06/07/2014, 01:08 PM #12
Originally posted by TRXD
While I'm not the wisest person nor am I considered a person with sufficient weight in this community, I do have to say a few things about this.

I do understand where you are coming from with this. I can see how there are points where the community sometimes has its own layering to it. How people on the inside are more likely to be asked about projects being worked on by builders while others are left completely in the dark. While this sounds extreme and unfair, let me clarify what I mean by this and what tends to go on.
In a conversation I had with Krittercon one time, he told me that "unless a player grabs my attention early on, I usually ignore them." (This is an imperfect quote and Krittercon has the right to yell at me if it's wrong). This is a practice that, while blunt and maybe unfair, does make sense. Unless a person does something early on, people have a low chance of remembering them and ergo has greater apathy towards speaking to them. If you don't talk around or make a lasting impression, it's understandable that the chances of being included in something are lessened.

Note how I said lessened. If you do not make a first impression, it does not mean you are screwed. It is still possible to be included on something, you just have to say something. Try to get friendly with the staff. I myself have (or had, if you count the fact that I self-exiled in January/February and have barely returned) done both. I was lucky to make myself known during my first months here. I could owe the honour of getting me there to people like Katrix/Satori, Leon, and others but it's simply an unknown. It could also be the Keychain birthday build, Cards Against Humanity, or Civ 5 game nights. But it's truly unknown. I also took the time to try to get on the good side of staff. Krittercon (now questionable), Snoop (now questionable), Keychain (extremely questionable), Remi, Snow, maybe even Mamizou (still miss that Tanuki...), and maybe some others. These are the ones that I remember from November to February. I didn't list ones that had been promoted like Katrix or Alayo and I haven't listed those that I only recently have made attempts to get to know. (Sorry, Tewi. Really sorry.)
Due to my slightly unannounced self-exile and my actions, it is fair to say that some of these staff relations are now questionable. Some because I have not talked to them or I feel I may have completely vexed them. These people may know who they are. But I will not say unless they ask for it.

This brings me onto my next big point. Staff hatred. Getting the staff to hate you is a hard thing if it's unintentional. Trust me. You can make hiccups, say a bad thing or two, and they'll still be fine. Some are more easygoing than others but the general consensus is that the staff will only hate you if you want them to. You really have to be asking for it to get on their bad side. If the staff weren't the way they are today, I would be long gone. I literally would be. That or I would have been so a week or two ago. Saying that, I know a couple of staff (past or present) would want to pick a bone with me. So if you say "the staff generally doesn't like me" then you are either completely wrong or you have done things to SERIOUSLY tick off the staff. And I highly believe that the latter is untrue.

And advancements and promotions? I'm certain that it's not a dictatorship or a system based on favouritism as to how one gets promoted. Generally speaking, you just have to be a nice guy, show that you care, and show that you are interested in a possible promotion (in a way that doesn't deter people from promoting you).

Saying that, while I would LOVE to get a promotion, I am generally fine with being fixed as a Senior or Elder (if I ever do get either). The thought of being depended upon to build stuff in Gensokyo is unbearable. I would love to have it as an optional thing (like how Mediators have it) and not being tasked with building things on the spot. "Why don't you just say that you would rather be a mediator or something like that?" you may ask to which I give a major deadpan stare. Have you looked at the number of Mediators? And have you looked at the number of promotions to mediator over the last 6 months? None! There have been none! This is an obvious sign that the staff are most likely content with the number right now and do not desire any more Mediators. That or the criteria is on an impossible scale.

Ok. That is an over-exaggeration and not my true opinion but that is most likely what is rushing through your mind when you think of the criteria to become a builder. While I am not one to say, I do believe that it is not hard at all. Yeah, you do need talent and dedication but I highly doubt that there are no vacancies on the builder team and I doubt that it is "full" or highly restricted. No way in hell. Make your desires known, show you give a damn, and don't pout about the "impossibility" of a promotion.

I think that's really all I have to say. Unsure if it'll be helpful or whether it'll bring harm but those are my opinions on the matter. Your situation is HIGHLY understandable but I think you are pushing yourself down big time (and that's my job). At least you were open with your opinions but I think this could have been avoided if you had spoken sooner about your desires.

This thread is not about promotions nor am I trying to make commentary on it. I am simply trying to express that I feel I have not done what I came to this server to do. It honestly doesn't bother me if I have a rank or not. It does bother me that I've never left a lasting impact on the server or otherwise.

Also I'd like to point out that you say getting mediator is impossible and later say I shouldn't gripe about it being impossible. While this statement is contradictory, my intent wasn't to complain about that, so you can take from that what you want.
Luna Pixu

Luna Pixu

Mediator

Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 1745

06/07/2014, 01:38 PM #13
@Li
I do not wish to argue about this but I want to clarify something that you have misinterpreted (staff, do something if this gets out of hand).

I had said that the "impossibility of getting mediator" was an over-exaggeration and wasn't not my true opinion. While I would like the idea of getting mediator or some role in the Yukkuricraft community, I am not going to complain about it and I did not intend to in my post. Furthermore, I never did once contradicted myself. I was trying to make an example of what some people may think when it comes to promotions (but obviously failed badly).

Originally posted by you
This thread is not about promotions nor am I trying to make commentary on it.

I never stated that nor did I make it the main focus of my post. It is only in the second half that I make comments about this. But the OP kind of looked it said otherwise. You wanted to build in Gensokyo and make contributions. Wouldn't attempting to get Builder fall into that area?

Originally posted by you
It honestly doesn't bother me if I have a rank or not. It does bother me that I've never left a lasting impact on the server or otherwise.
I addressed this in the second and third paragraphs of my post. As I had said there, it's not too late to make a lasting impression. It may be harder to do so considering how long you have been here but it still isn't too late. It's never too late. And if this was made aware sooner, we could have something about it.

So before you criticise me, PLEASE for the love of Tsukuyomi read all of my post. It's annoying to see people look over key areas and instead focus on things that don't matter as much. Examples? Promotions. Never meant to make a big deal out of it and yet you did it anyway.

Smash through the blocks that bar your way; No time for fear, just let it all fall away; Nobody believes in me and you, Just look at the way they stare; So what if we live in a walled garden, As long as I've got you then I don't care!


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Shimitty

Shimitty

Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 577

06/07/2014, 03:06 PM #14
Originally posted by TRXD
While I'm not the wisest person nor am I considered a person with sufficient weight in this community, I do have to say a few things about this.

I do understand where you are coming from with this. I can see how there are points where the community sometimes has its own layering to it. How people on the inside are more likely to be asked about projects being worked on by builders while others are left completely in the dark. While this sounds extreme and unfair, let me clarify what I mean by this and what tends to go on.
In a conversation I had with Krittercon one time, he told me that "unless a player grabs my attention early on, I usually ignore them." (This is an imperfect quote and Krittercon has the right to yell at me if it's wrong). This is a practice that, while blunt and maybe unfair, does make sense. Unless a person does something early on, people have a low chance of remembering them and ergo has greater apathy towards speaking to them. If you don't talk around or make a lasting impression, it's understandable that the chances of being included in something are lessened.


You wanna know how to get a staff members attention? TALK TO US! It's that simple! We don't have an "ignore button if player doens't do anything amazing" policy." If you are shy and don't try to make friends here then guess what, you aren't going to make friends. While we do have rankings and responsibilities, we are players like anyone else. We aren't trying to run a 500+ player server like Shotbow or Empire. If you want to talk to a staff member about anything, just talk to us, it's that simple!

The easiest way to make an impression?

getting on mumble is how you get noticed. It doesn't matter if you just have a mic and type in the chat, being there and communicating with us is a good way to make friends.

And once again, we aren't some kind of club you have to jump though hoops to become a part of. For the most part we're all friends! who met each other right here on Yukkuricraft! The staff your enemy, we're your bitches! If you think something should be done about the server let us know! We have an entire section of the forum dedicated to this. There are thousands of ways to make an impression, you just have to find them and do them!

Getting on the bad side of staff is harder than you think. You literally have to try to make us hate you, and trust me it's a short list. I can't think of one person that staff generally hates that isn't banned right now. Are you banned? No? Then don't worry about it! We only hate you if you hate us back or are a complete asshole.

If we seem angry or yell at you at some point, we don't hate you, we just think you're doing something stupid. Especially me, if I get frustrated with you, It's because I care. I'm trying to help you (in my own way, I need to work on being more professional). I more than anyone want people to be friends and get along. It's an impossible goal but a noble one, and I'm not about to give up.

@TRXD: Just drop the Christmas incident please, we only remember it because you keep bringing it up. Everything about it was in your head. No one hated you, no one was offended, you didn't need to go into your self-infliced "exile". I (and most of the rest of staff) can't stand melodrama. And I can't stand to see people push their own nose into the dirt because they did something tiny. Mostly because I used to do that all the time, and it was stupid of me. I ended up hating myself for doing it more that I hated myself for what I actually did. So please stop doing it! You can be so much more! And I want you to be better than that!

TL;DR This doesn't happen:

Member: Hey! I've been on the server for a few months but I haven't gotten to know anyone in staff yet. Let me introduce myself!

Staff: Leave me alone Plebeian! You are not worth my time!


Stop being Melodramatic.


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LiShengshun

LiShengshun

Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 94

06/07/2014, 03:45 PM #15
Anyways thanks everyone for the constructive feedback. I'll be looking forward to returning at a later date.