They might not be able to go through, but they can go over. it's how they found him the first time. They can sit nice and safe in the hover cars over the forest and track him.
According to every strategy I'm thinking, I can't win. As soon as he's clear of the fire they can simply go into their hover cars and track him.
[OOC] Revolt
02/22/2014, 09:31 PM #112
@Cucoo
Would you rather I say "then die"?
If you're really that worried about the hovercars, then destroy them. Hijack them. You're not exactly powerless. You have gravity magic, don't you? Fly.
Would you rather I say "then die"?
If you're really that worried about the hovercars, then destroy them. Hijack them. You're not exactly powerless. You have gravity magic, don't you? Fly.
Originally posted by S121
Every time I see a new post on the Forum, I feel like a little kid during Christmas, all giddy.
sigpic
02/22/2014, 09:34 PM #113
Katrix indirectly shot that idea out of the water before I even mentioned it.
I was about to have Revere go swordmaster ninja on them and use gravity to accelerate him and his swords at the crew at speeds that would prevent them from reacting and killing them all.
But I can't do that.
I was about to have Revere go swordmaster ninja on them and use gravity to accelerate him and his swords at the crew at speeds that would prevent them from reacting and killing them all.
But I can't do that.
02/22/2014, 09:38 PM #114
@Cucoo
Then talk with him. To tell you the truth, Katrix told me about the hovercraft and he said that they couldn't go through the forest, that Revere could easily escape. He said that you don't always need to win or lose every single battle.
Just with to him.
Then talk with him. To tell you the truth, Katrix told me about the hovercraft and he said that they couldn't go through the forest, that Revere could easily escape. He said that you don't always need to win or lose every single battle.
Just with to him.
Originally posted by S121
Every time I see a new post on the Forum, I feel like a little kid during Christmas, all giddy.
sigpic
02/22/2014, 09:58 PM #115
The way I see it:
Fact 1:
Hovercars can go over forest
Fact 2:
They can scan safely from the hovercars and pursue Revere and Selene easily.
This is implied by continuity that this method was used to find them from the start.
Fact 3:
Revere and Selene are on foot.
Fact 4:
SYSTEM Agents would be able to drop down from Hovercars and immediately surround Revere and Selene.
Fact 5:
Revere is at the disadvantage as he has to protect Selene.
Fact 6:
SYSTEM Agents are implied to be prepared for Revere's gravity manipulation, rendering that useless.
Fact 7:
They are wearing armor that is to be implied resistant against Revere's swords, thus rendering that useless.
Fact 8:
It is implied that SYSTEM can easily put out the fire, rendering the amount of time to escape nil.
Fact 9:
There's a special net preventing escape.
Fire on one side where the SYSTEM agents are and net on the other.
Options:
- Running in an attempt to escape
conclusion: not favorable, must fight.
Reasons: Facts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9
- Fighting back
Conclusion: will result in loss
Reasons: Facts 4, 5, 6, 7, 9
Options that result in success: 0
Result: Checkmate
If Revere fights, he looses.
If they run, they will inevitably loose.
System has won by technological superiority.
Last edited by Cucoo5; 02/22/2014, 10:12 PM. Fact 1:
Hovercars can go over forest
Fact 2:
They can scan safely from the hovercars and pursue Revere and Selene easily.
This is implied by continuity that this method was used to find them from the start.
Fact 3:
Revere and Selene are on foot.
Fact 4:
SYSTEM Agents would be able to drop down from Hovercars and immediately surround Revere and Selene.
Fact 5:
Revere is at the disadvantage as he has to protect Selene.
Fact 6:
SYSTEM Agents are implied to be prepared for Revere's gravity manipulation, rendering that useless.
Fact 7:
They are wearing armor that is to be implied resistant against Revere's swords, thus rendering that useless.
Fact 8:
It is implied that SYSTEM can easily put out the fire, rendering the amount of time to escape nil.
Fact 9:
There's a special net preventing escape.
Fire on one side where the SYSTEM agents are and net on the other.
Options:
- Running in an attempt to escape
conclusion: not favorable, must fight.
Reasons: Facts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9
- Fighting back
Conclusion: will result in loss
Reasons: Facts 4, 5, 6, 7, 9
Options that result in success: 0
Result: Checkmate
If Revere fights, he looses.
If they run, they will inevitably loose.
System has won by technological superiority.
Originally posted by Katrix
...These were much more suited for battle than a normal SYSTEM agents. They were also using advanced technology in order to confuse their enemies as most people didn't have any knowledge about SYSTEM weapons. Now she all that remained was to make a plan to catch him. Although they had originally wanted him alive, they didn't care anymore. They had also been able to gather a little information about him as he had been working as a mercenary for them before.
Now they were cruising trough the air trying to find the man they were looking for. Luckily they had lot's of gadgets to find a persons location. Withing about 30 minutes they had his location. Apparently he was passing by on one of the sides of Skógur. If they were fast enough they could maybe reach him before he would get too close to the town. This was what they went for. Within minutes they were hovering over his location.
Originally posted by Katrix
They knew where he was. They couldn't see him from the hover crafts, but they had other means to see him. After monitoring him for a while, they began shining giant flashlights towards him. Now he could no longer hide in the shadows as easily.
..."This is you last chance to give up and stop this before it gets any worse for you. We know who you are, we have data on you, we know all of your weak spots.
Originally posted by Katrix
Endalausir Forest - Near Skógur <Spira>
As he spoke, one of the hovercrafts flipped around. No one the hovercraft fell down however. This time they had come prepared. This gravity magic was something simple to deal with. They just had a few individuals in the hovercraft user their magic to fasten them to the hovercraft. This way the hovercraft had it's own gravity. Of course, this wasn't the only thing that kept them from falling out. They also had a lot of technology that was helping them.
...At the same time, all the hovercrafts had positioned themselves around Revere in a arc. When the fired the cannons, a special net going between the hovercrafts was also made, preventing escape.
Originally posted by Katrix
The mana cannons never hit Revere's location. Instead they hit a little bit in font of him, creating explosions wherever they hit. Soon enough, the forest closest to Revere was burning. He would have no choice but to escape. Staying in the same place would be suicide. At the same time, SYSTEM also followed from behind. Of course they could fix the forest after they were done with with Revere. That was the goal now, and they were set on completing it.
02/22/2014, 10:39 PM #116
@Cucoo
Alright, let's get things sorted out here. S121 have already pointed out many of the things that are to be said. The hovercrafts are big and bulky, they can't travel very well trough the forest, in fact, they would have problems even getting into the forest. Once they are outisde of the hovercraft, they'll have problems getting back up. They would have to find a specific place where it's open enough to land. S121 also have a point in setting up traps.
Another thing he could do is to get into a area where people lived. They are two different nations on the brink of war. Neither want to do anything that can trigger such a war. Going into a public area could mean such a trigger. They may have permission to capture Revere, but they still don't have permission to to upset people in the middle of the night.
As for their armor, as S121 said, it's not John's armor, although it is sci-fi armor. This does makes it so that killing one and dressing up as the soldier could be a good idea.
As for being prepared, they simply have what they usually have. A full squad of soldiers with different types of magic for different things. And most of that advanced technology and magic lies in the hovercraft itself. The hovercraft is their fortress. As long as they stay there, they can't go down to capture Revere, but they can use their full power.
As for the net and fire, they are both in the same direction and the net does not go all the way around. And I never said that they could easily put out the fire. It's not like that they are going to use 2 days on it, but they can't press a button either.
Alright, let's get things sorted out here. S121 have already pointed out many of the things that are to be said. The hovercrafts are big and bulky, they can't travel very well trough the forest, in fact, they would have problems even getting into the forest. Once they are outisde of the hovercraft, they'll have problems getting back up. They would have to find a specific place where it's open enough to land. S121 also have a point in setting up traps.
Another thing he could do is to get into a area where people lived. They are two different nations on the brink of war. Neither want to do anything that can trigger such a war. Going into a public area could mean such a trigger. They may have permission to capture Revere, but they still don't have permission to to upset people in the middle of the night.
As for their armor, as S121 said, it's not John's armor, although it is sci-fi armor. This does makes it so that killing one and dressing up as the soldier could be a good idea.
As for being prepared, they simply have what they usually have. A full squad of soldiers with different types of magic for different things. And most of that advanced technology and magic lies in the hovercraft itself. The hovercraft is their fortress. As long as they stay there, they can't go down to capture Revere, but they can use their full power.
As for the net and fire, they are both in the same direction and the net does not go all the way around. And I never said that they could easily put out the fire. It's not like that they are going to use 2 days on it, but they can't press a button either.
| Born in the light.
Molded in the dark. Never Forget, Keep Fighting. |
 |
Don't Forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
As long as you remember her,
you are not alone.
|
02/22/2014, 10:49 PM #117
@ Katrix
Still, tracking remains and that eliminates the concept of traps
Why?
Because traps require 2 things:
Element of Surprise and Time to set up
Revere has neither.
Killing one and disguising himself as one has the same issue
He needs time and the element of surprise as well as a hiding place.
hiding places: useless due to tracking devices as was proven by the fact they easily found his hiding place initially. In a forest, niches under rocks and trees are the main type of hiding place. They found it easily, what's stopping them from doing the exact same thing again? To maintain continuity, they would simply do it again.
Time: because there's no hiding they would have to run. Can they put any distance between them and SYSTEM? No, because of the hovercrafts being able to go over the forest, which they must do in order to maintain continuity.
Element of Surprise: None as they know where they are. As soon as they found his EXACT location, they eliminated his element of surprise.
They can't run. they're too far away from anything.
Time is not on their side.
Last edited by Cucoo5; 02/22/2014, 10:51 PM. Still, tracking remains and that eliminates the concept of traps
Why?
Because traps require 2 things:
Element of Surprise and Time to set up
Revere has neither.
Killing one and disguising himself as one has the same issue
He needs time and the element of surprise as well as a hiding place.
hiding places: useless due to tracking devices as was proven by the fact they easily found his hiding place initially. In a forest, niches under rocks and trees are the main type of hiding place. They found it easily, what's stopping them from doing the exact same thing again? To maintain continuity, they would simply do it again.
Time: because there's no hiding they would have to run. Can they put any distance between them and SYSTEM? No, because of the hovercrafts being able to go over the forest, which they must do in order to maintain continuity.
Element of Surprise: None as they know where they are. As soon as they found his EXACT location, they eliminated his element of surprise.
They can't run. they're too far away from anything.
Time is not on their side.
02/22/2014, 11:17 PM #118
@Cucoo
I already told you why the tracking devices wont work again, did I?
As for traps, they don't have to take much time to set up. Most traps can be set up with little to no time.
Of course if he got away from the fire, he could be tracked again, but it would also take time for SYSTEM to find him. That time would be more than enough to do any of the things that I mentioned.
As for running to a public place, they're near Skógur, aren't they?
I already told you why the tracking devices wont work again, did I?
As for traps, they don't have to take much time to set up. Most traps can be set up with little to no time.
Of course if he got away from the fire, he could be tracked again, but it would also take time for SYSTEM to find him. That time would be more than enough to do any of the things that I mentioned.
As for running to a public place, they're near Skógur, aren't they?
| Born in the light.
Molded in the dark. Never Forget, Keep Fighting. |
|
Don't Forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
As long as you remember her,
you are not alone.
|
02/22/2014, 11:33 PM #119
@Cucoo
You do realize you're making things much MUCH harder than they need to be. -_-;;;
Like I said before, their bulky armor makes them slow as hell. Not only that, they need to move their bulk across terrain that favors the lightweight. Revere has the advantage of mobility. Revere can run faster than a man in bulky armor.
As for the hovercars, can you please show us where it stated that they can fly? Last I remember, hovercars hover, not fly.
We are giving you the means to survive, but you are slapping them out of our hands. We are trying to make sure that Revere doesn't die. Simply giving up because of the enemy's radars is not going to save you. The checkmate is in your head. You're impeding yourself. The enemy's radars are pretty much infrared. It's pretty hard to track someone in a forest fire with infrared.
Trust us, things will be alright.
You do realize you're making things much MUCH harder than they need to be. -_-;;;
Like I said before, their bulky armor makes them slow as hell. Not only that, they need to move their bulk across terrain that favors the lightweight. Revere has the advantage of mobility. Revere can run faster than a man in bulky armor.
As for the hovercars, can you please show us where it stated that they can fly? Last I remember, hovercars hover, not fly.
We are giving you the means to survive, but you are slapping them out of our hands. We are trying to make sure that Revere doesn't die. Simply giving up because of the enemy's radars is not going to save you. The checkmate is in your head. You're impeding yourself. The enemy's radars are pretty much infrared. It's pretty hard to track someone in a forest fire with infrared.
Trust us, things will be alright.
Originally posted by S121
Every time I see a new post on the Forum, I feel like a little kid during Christmas, all giddy.
sigpic
02/22/2014, 11:41 PM #120
@ Katrix
by my calculations, they're 8 hours away by foot.
@ S121
And he was in the forest under a rock and tree niche. Therefore they must be above the forest.
by my calculations, they're 8 hours away by foot.
@ S121
Originally posted by Katrix
...
Now they were cruising trough the air trying to find the man they were looking for. Luckily they had lot's of gadgets to find a persons location. Withing about 30 minutes they had his location. Apparently he was passing by on one of the sides of Skógur. If they were fast enough they could maybe reach him before he would get too close to the town. This was what they went for. Within minutes they were hovering over his location.
And he was in the forest under a rock and tree niche. Therefore they must be above the forest.