RP General Discussion

@Cucoo

Revised. I have covered all bases. The doppelganger will now be unable to react.

Yukari goes back in time to before the battle starts, or even before they met the doppelganger and tells Nue to make them unidentifiable. She also tells Kiene to alter the doppelganger's history, preventing him from retaliating. She is not directly affecting the doppelganger itself, only its history. The doppelganger will not be able to counter this because he doesn't even know who he's looking for now, and even then, he won't. Fast forward a couple days, and we're in the present, right before the battle.

Before the battle, Hina would remove all of Remilia's bad luck, making her capable of performing fate manipulation flawlessly, Remilia would alter fate so that they would kill the Doppelganger, Yukari would alter the boundary of strong/weak on Nue, and Nue makes the entire group non-identifiable, making it so that the doppelganger can't copy their abilities. Why? Because he now can not comprehend their abilities or their identities, meaning that he can't copy their abilities. They are now unknown people with unknown abilities. The group already knows their opponent, and he probably knows them too, BUT because of Nue's ability, he would not be able to tell it was them because they are now unknown, completely and utterly unknown. She essentially erased their identities.

Yukari alters the boundary of strong/weak on Sakuya and Kaguya, boosting their powers to godly levels. Next, Sakuya and Kaguya accelerates the entire group to unprecedented levels, allowing each person to react so fast that their very reaction time would warp reality. Then, they find the doppelganger and attack him. He would not have the reaction time yet, witch means that the group basically has all the time in the world to stop him. Yukari alters the boundary of strong/weak on Flandre, increasing her power to the galactic scale. Yukari would have enough power because if she was not powerful enough, she could just as easily adjust her power via the same method as Flandre. Flandre then "kyuus" him. No status effects are being used, she just takes his "eye" and crushes it. Simple, but effective. At that exact time, Yukari alters the boundary of immunity/susceptibility, protecting them from any potential negative backlash. As for the counterattack, this is where Seija plays an important role, if Yukari's counter didn't work. When the counterattack is triggered, Seija flips the counterattack, countering the counterattack. The attack would then do the opposite of what it was supposed to do. Instead of erasing everyone, it will do the opposite. They were all alive to begin with, so it would either have no effect, or even make them stronger by reinforcing their existence.

With this, he would not be able to counter because the abilities are unknown. You can't copy something you don't know about.

@ S121

But he's still the god of existence and they still exist. Therefore he would still be able to know of their existence as well as their powers existing. Also I made it so that he could counter any time manipulation because of Aion in my story being the Master of Time. Even if you went back to when Hyperion was born, you would still have to face the current Hyperion. He could prevent Keine from altering his history. In my story, he fights Aion and the others through time itself.

Also this is no longer the doppelganger, it's Hyperion, just to clear that up. Sol is a Human turned Guardian of Time turned into Hyperion the God.

@ TRXD

Aye, I gotta a lot of stuff to update here. I didn't get to everyone yet.

@Cucoo

Then your battle in EG would be impossible. The only way to beat him in EG would be to have Hyperion have a moment of utter stupidity and allow the people to kill him in some plot-device way. How I see it, you designed him to only be beatable by the plot device, meaning that the battle would not be winnable without it, but even then, you keep making the argument that he'll counter any and every attqack. Who is to say that he won't counter the device and kill everybody in EG?

Tell me, how does he die? I'll tell you if it would actually work or not. Things don't really seem right with that.

As for Nue's abilities, it wouldn't be called unknown if they were knowable. That would be completely overlooking/discrediting her abilities. If you really want, I could also say that Yukari boosted her power too. She is the epitome of the unknown, and Hyperion may be the god of existence, but she would now be the god of the unknown. She is now the equivalent. You also forget Remilia's fate altering abilities. Because of that, their victory is inevitable. They aren't altering time, but they are altering the odds. They would eventually win. As for Sakuya and Kaguya, they're not affecting Hyperion, only the group. They are now faster than he could react, making any action he tries to perform, futile. He'll be dead before he knew what was going on.

You overlooked half my plan. -_-;

Well the Improbability Drive could possibly beat him, or at least nullify him to a certain extent. The drive makes the reality, and thus existence around it more random and somewhat unstable. Since he manipulates existence, the instability might make it quite a bit harder to manipulate. It wouldn't be a true counter, but more of a Kryptonite. Weakening him a bit, and that would stack with more drives.

Key criteria: he has no health regen. He can't heal in battle with any abilities. Why attack him with something that would kill you (and the galaxy) instantly when you could attack him with something you can heal from?

Oh, that's simple then. Just get Yvetal and keep spamming Oblivion Wing and bam, you win.

@Cucoo

But that wouldn't work. Gods are supposed to be immune to mortal weapons, or else they wouldn't be gods. It's usually a given with them. Besides, without a means to heal themselves, the mortals would die, and let's not even go into Hyperion's reaction time/strength, thanks to his time abilities. If he can be killed so easily, then he is not a god, only a powerful mortal man. -_-;;

You said it yourself that he has health that would be 1,000 to 1 compared to everyone else, making that method of killing him implausible at best. You also have to consider the auto-counters. The group would have to literally perform tiny cut after tiny cut, but that would take days, perhaps months to accomplish. They would then need a means to heal themselves, but they don't have unlimited resources. That is why I went for the over-kill approach.

You see my reasoning, right?

Second post, but I need to show you guys this.


What the f*cking hell is that thing!?!? K-Kogasa!?!?!? 0_0;;;


http://vintageninja.net/wp-content/uploads/SakuyaYokaiden12.jpg

Originally posted by S121
@Cucoo

But that wouldn't work. Gods are supposed to be immune to mortal weapons, or else they wouldn't be gods. It's usually a given with them. Besides, without a means to heal themselves, the mortals would die, and let's not even go into Hyperion's reaction time/strength, thanks to his time abilities. If he can be killed so easily, then he is not a god, only a powerful mortal man. -_-;;

You said it yourself that he has health that would be 1,000 to 1 compared to everyone else, making that method of killing him implausible at best. You also have to consider the auto-counters. The group would have to literally perform tiny cut after tiny cut, but that would take days, perhaps months to accomplish. They would then need a means to heal themselves, but they don't have unlimited resources. That is why I went for the over-kill approach.

You see my reasoning, right?

Hyperion's origin was a normal Human that created the Blood Tome which, after he became a Guardian of Time, granted him the power of a God. But this information doesn't really matter, The point is I was trying to see if I could create a scenario where it would force the characters to work together in a fashion where it would be a classic battle of attrition.

For instance: John has shields that regenerate. He can deal an attack that doesn't deplete his shields completely and he can attack again when they recharge. Though he would have to factor in everyone else that's attacking. Renamon has some sort of healing aura which is based more-so on her own strength of will. Shulk can protect everyone for a short time with the Monado and heal with Light Heal, which only has a cooldown period. Link has Nauru's Love which would protect him for a limited time while he waits to be healed. Robin and Morgan have a skill that can boost everyone's abilities, including defense. Lisa, if she rolled a Force or Techer Subclass, would have Resta and Anti, Resta can heal everyone within a radii every once in a while and Anti cures status effects. Edward seems to have a natural, accelerated regen. Patchy might have a healing spell.
Sure it would take forever for one person to do it, but we have so many characters that have healing abilities, I seriously don't see it taking that long to use something like Counter or as it was called in Xenoblade, Spike Damage (Surprise, I'm stealing a concept from Xenoblade again).


Hmm...let's roll with the tried and tru[e]ly annoying
Let's actually use Xenoblade's Spike Damage Mechanic. This time it'll be a Telethia with the Spike Damage.

- Telethia can read and react to thoughts in you mind when their mind read aura is active. For simplicity, let's say it doesn't have it for right now but make an alternate that factors it in.
- Spike Damage is a passive mechanic with various triggers. For this, let's run with the counter concept where it returns the damage dealt. There is no dodging it.

This is why we can't have Gods among us.

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