RP General Discussion

@ S121

right

so in that case then on a rating, Yukari would be a the same, if not, a close second, to Alvis

So let's see...

Alvis is an AI that is, theoretically, linked to the source-code of the universe which would make him the equivalent of an OS.
or is he...more like BIOS....
*serious thinking face*

If I had to use a math metaphor

Boundary manipulation is technically taking the inverse of a function of the universe
So would Alvis be more powerful than that or no different if he is like a computer designed to alter the universe?

To me it would be one step greater as he could just redefine all constraints...which he kind of did at the end of Xenoblade which...
...using a metaphor...
...he updated the universe as it was becoming "stagnant" or...outdated.
So he rewrote the entire code...

Where to really put him...

I mean, on the scale he is NOT a 100 as he does have his limits...

@Cucoo

But there lies the problem. Boundary manipulation literally has no limits. Even constraints are governed by boundaries, which they can alter to their liking. Heck, even the boundaries could have boundaries. It would be meta-boundary manipulation. They can do that. It truly is confusing when you get to the meta stages of boundary manipulation. If they wanted to, they could remove the boundary of immutable and alterable, altering the very limits of their power and allowing them to redefine the boundaries themselves. To be honest, they're both powerful, and boundary manipulation gives me a headache to talk about, so I might leave it at that. I can't help but imagine boundaries as limitless sliders and strings joining together objects, allowing them to function, and when you start seeing things like that, you know you need a break. :p

Now, combat-wise, there are ways to stop them, but it's not easy, even impossible if they're prepared.


To be honest, I'm actually a little scared to fight Yukari now... 0_0;;;

I might need to do some more planning. There needs to be a way to prevent her from acting at all. If she so much as forms a thought to manipulate a boundary, everyone's in trouble. I'll give you a better plan later. I might incorporate flashbangs and Sakuya...

there is one thing you guys maybe haven´t checked..

will power. Even the most powerful beings can fall by the ones with greater will

and I hate making paperwork so I´ll be back when I finish it

@Kristia

Even willpower has boundaries, and as such, it can be altered.

It would work like this:

Target= "John Doe"

Boundary to be manipulated= Willpower

"Slider Set"= Strong/Weak


It makes you wonder why Yukari didn't do that to herself. :confused:

@ S121

true...

On Fighting Yukari...we would need Melia...
Unless I adapt her Arts seal ability into an alternate form of Purge.

I'm thinking about just giving the Monado all the abilities that the various characters in Xenoblade had so that I can consolidate their abilities rather than possibly introducing them.

On Alvis VS Boundaries

I really can't see...

Ok Alvis is not as OP as I thought unless we look at duration.

Altering a boundary is not permanent...is it?

If it is, then Alvis and Yukari are equals in every way except the fact Alvis requires input before he technically can modify anything (Like any computer)

@Cucoo

It can be, considering that boundary manipulation has no limits.

If not, then all that needs to be done is alter the boundary of instant/eternity and you'll get a permanent boundary. If you want it to be absolute, you alter the boundary of Alteration/Preservation, making it unalterable by outside forces.

How I see it, Yukari and Takoizu are personified ideas. In the end, that's what Youkai are, ideas and fears, concepts. Takoizu and Yukari happen to be personifications of concepts that govern the universe. Maybe they are the boundaries themselves, which would explain why they can alter the boundary of alteration/preservation, as well as alter themselves in that state. If you think about it, they wouldn't actually have a gender. How could you give a gender to an idea or concept? :confused:

Then again, they are personifications, not the idea itself. :p



Who's Melia?

As for the Monado arts, I suppose you can, but it would kind of remove how special each Monado is, making each one a simple clone. It would be like if all guns were the same, or if the Biometals from Megaman were the same in every way, except for appearance.

In the end, it's up to you on that one.

@ S121

Oh right, Melia is a High Entian princess from Xenoblade who can control Ether to a degree like a mage would mana.
Her signature ability is Mind blast, the arts seal version of Monado Purge

But no, the three monados don't really share any similarities except being types.

Shulk's Monado is pure defense with the occasional offense.
Meyneth's Monado is...for all extensive purposes I'm saying offense as it did have a dual wield mode which automatically in my head translates as such.
Zanza's Monado is that weird thing that I don't know how to classify...

@Cucoo

Zansa's would be "compensating". Hey, all those huge blades on that one sword... :p

Ok, I'm just kidding.



As for Melia, how would you introduce her? It might be a little too convenient if she popped up right when they needed her. If things get really bad, I might have Takoizu help, considering that she could do the same. She's also more available. In the end, I'm still debating on whether or not to have her directly help in the fight.

What are your thoughts?

@ S121

No no

I was just saying who she was

I wouldn't introduce her, just her ability by converting it to a Monado ability.

It's to save on me bringing in the most OP cast of characters...

cause if you had all seven playable characters here.

topple lock dat sh*t.

And then there were none.

@Cucoo

Hmmm...

Well, it would be a good ability to have in this particular situation, but people will say that it's OP. We'll get through the battle with Yukari somehow. It'll just take me a little bit to consider the possibilities. All I know is that Shulk will be needed in the battle against Yukari, at least to help with protecting people A lot of people will be needed on this one, with each of their roles being vital to the success of the plan.