[OOC Board] Eternal Galaxy: Phoenix

@S121

It really depends. When normally fighting, he would be like unarmored John in physical capabilities. Though when Saiyan's get enraged, the gain a temporary boost to their capabilities. Meaning if you can get Bardock enraged enough (without pushing him to go Super Saiyan just yet) Bardock would be at a similar level to John in armor. If Bardock were in Super Saiyan, and then became even more enraged he would probably become similar to John with armor and Cortana. Though that is if you can get him really pissed off.

Examples of Saiyan's becoming stronger when enraged are when Gohan was a kid and was fighting 2-3rd for Frieza. Gohan was pretty weak, weaker than Vegeta at the time. Yet when Frieza did something that was just god awful (like when he first impaled Krillin with his horn), Gohan went ballistic and knocked Frieza down to an island, then almost blew up that island. This shocked Vegeta at the time, as he was not expecting Gohan to become so powerful in a split second. Yeah it didn't really injure Frieza, just gave him a few bruises, but it was the closest anyone at the time came to hurting him until Piccolo came in.

The other example is during the recent movie. In fact inthe scene when Vegeta saw the main antagonist (the God of Destruction Beerus or Bills. Depends on what dub) SLAP BULMA. Vegeta absolutely lost it, and actually began to give the God of Destruction a serious beating, when previously a Super Saiyan 3 Goku couldn't do much against Beerus. (Goku in SSJ3 [Super Saiyan 3] couldn't even keep up, nor inflict any harm, and was knocked out by a flick to the neck when in Super Saiyan 3, the strongest transformation at the time in the series which was 3x as powerful as a Super Saiyan [which is by default 50x that of normal state.] for a brief moment a Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta became more powerful than a Super Saiyan 3 Goku.) Vegeta still got his ass kicked afterwards, but at that moment it was the closest anyone had come to actually inflicting damage on Beerus... until Super Saiyan God mode came in that is.)

So yeah. When normal and calm, like unarmored John. When angered would be equal to John in armor, when in Super Saiyan (if he achieves it) would be around John in armor. When Super Saiyan and pissed as all hell, would probably match John with Cortana and armor. Though in order to reach that state you would really need to push Bardock to his mental limit, which would probably make him achieve a Super Saiyan 2 lol.

All in all Bardock might not be able to exceed John's physical stats, but he might be able to match them. The real thing that would make Bardock a more valuable ally/dangerous opponent is his Ki manipulation. Able to turn his bodies own energy into blasts of energy, allow Bardock to fly with ease, and survive intense conditions. Though since the only armor Bardock wears is his Saiyan Armor, and that isn't the most protective thing in the universe (greatly at blocking blunt trauma, and shock. Yet piss poor at withstanding piercing attacks. On top of that it does not cover his entire body). Meaning Bardock though as a Saiyan can probably be near death, yet still keep on fighting until he can't move his body anymore (a Saiyan's pride which is hard to tear down), he is a bit more vulnerable to damage then John. Yes he can suffer damage, his body without the armor can probably shrug off standard 9mm handgun rounds, as well as probably survive a large explosion (depends on the kind of explosion. Like say a few bits of C4 he could withstand) at point blank with only his armor being destroyed (and serious injuries), but he still has more vulnerabilities than John.


To be honest I think John and Bardock would make for absolutely great sparring partners, if not great allies. They both have a lot of similarities, and somewhat similar personalities. Bardock was even stated to be a bit more caring than most other Saiyans, as he did care for his team (and lover), was smart, and often times didn't just rely on brute strength in a battle. Yet Bardock would never hesitate to kill someone flat out (if he has to, like he is ordered or so by higher ups, or if he just comes across someone that is deserving it, or if he needs to.) He shows more restraint, and has quite a bit of knowledge. Due to his Saiyan pride, he still loves the thrill of fighting strong opponents. As such when he meets John (already have it planned lol), and he sees how strong and capable John is, Bardock would probably wish to spar/flat out fight the Spartan II.

I wouldn't be surprised if they do form a bond of sorts over the course of the RP, become pretty decent friends with each other. Bardock might not be as skilled as John, but thanks to Ki (which can do a LOT of different things ranging from using Ki to pull off stunts similar to telekinesis, energy blasts, energy waves, barriers made out of Ki [that could protect you from quite a bit of stuff as long as you have enough Ki], using Ki to deflect other energy, using Ki to enhance physical capabilities, using Ki for flight, and many other techniques, albeit if only if one knows how to manipulate their Ki to do all these things) Bardock is quite a varied fighter who has potentially a lot more tricks up his sleeves. I could even imagine Bardock teaching others in the RP how to tap into their Ki (assuming he knows how to do so since he was a scientist, and have developed quite a bit of techniques using Ki.)

Oh dear god... John learning how to use Ki... John is supposed to be a fast learner right? John would probably learn how to tap into his own Ki with Bardock's help, then would probably develop a crap load of useful techniques with Ki... would probably put Bardock to shame, especially if John learns how to fully control Ki (which is essential, as the more Ki one tries to use, the harder it is to control.)... Shit imagine a Spartan II flying at speeds possibly faster than Mach 1, without any jet pack while charging a powerful energy blast... *gulp*



@Cucoo

Yeah I know it really is a "when" question... I'm just afraid of the future outbreak TT^TT. I really don't want one happening until near the end of the Alcyon arc, as I have a few things planned first. First Add and Reiya need to get their shit done and head to Alcyon, then a small travel Arc that will require the main group of Alcyon to travel a bit of ways to an old outpost to meet up with my upcoming 4th Alcyon character (who I have been working on for a while now), then return to CY-044, then possibly leave. The outbreak could happen right before the Alcyon group leaves, that way the outbreak would happen without immediate threat of the characters becoming potentially hosts to these parasites (because I have a plan of how to start the nihiliod outbreak I.E. awaken the dormant queen. It involves sending an unnamed expedition crew to explore the detected caverns, and eventually stumbling across the queen, all the while the Alcyon characters are ready to leave the planet, they do, then the outbreak spreads to the rest of CY-044, thankfully though Dave won't be on the planet. He would most likely ditch his duties as leader to travel with the others. Though if anyone else has any better ideas, then that is fine. I just don't want the outbreak to happen so freaking soon. Technically this RP is still quite early. I don't think it is about time to deal with serious shit such as a parasite outbreak just yet.)

@Cucoo

Hm.. maybe I can change the landing to a more calm way, just that the place needs to be ready because the one manned ship will be damaged (will be explained when asked) with that both the rather "special" chief of the colony and Runa can participate more

really? I was going to say drop a space colony near the continent

Maybe. Maybe have it happen in the forest to the southwest? I'm making assumptions but I think a giant column of smoke and a distress signal would help move things around.

just throwing other ideas out there.


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It´s your call, no matter what idea you choose, Runa will participate, but what about David?

I´m trying to get all characters doing something and not leaving anyone alone

@Kristia

Dave would probably go along. Might send Bardock along, after all what seems like a Distress Signal would actually be broadcasted throughout the place, especially if it was a crash landing of a ship. All guards reporting for duty!

That's the confirmation I was waiting on. Also I'm considering saying the forest region in the southwest is named the Forest of Seasons which is totally not a LoZ: OoS reference.

There would be the ruins of a sort of shrine there.
If ya want, it could be the first "dungeon"
A very short one where it's just finding a secret room.


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Originally posted by SUSTIC
@Cucoo
Yeah I know it really is a "when" question... I'm just afraid of the future outbreak TT^TT. I really don't want one happening until near the end of the Alcyon arc, as I have a few things planned first. First Add and Reiya need to get their shit done and head to Alcyon, then a small travel Arc that will require the main group of Alcyon to travel a bit of ways to an old outpost to meet up with my upcoming 4th Alcyon character (who I have been working on for a while now), then return to CY-044, then possibly leave. The outbreak could happen right before the Alcyon group leaves, that way the outbreak would happen without immediate threat of the characters becoming potentially hosts to these parasites (because I have a plan of how to start the nihiliod outbreak I.E. awaken the dormant queen. It involves sending an unnamed expedition crew to explore the detected caverns, and eventually stumbling across the queen, all the while the Alcyon characters are ready to leave the planet, they do, then the outbreak spreads to the rest of CY-044, thankfully though Dave won't be on the planet. He would most likely ditch his duties as leader to travel with the others. Though if anyone else has any better ideas, then that is fine. I just don't want the outbreak to happen so freaking soon. Technically this RP is still quite early. I don't think it is about time to deal with serious shit such as a parasite outbreak just yet.)

Just in case you missed it Cucoo.

Also ancient shrine? First dungeon? Add a bit more to it, and I'm up for it!

Ok I missed that edit.
But no, even I'm afraid to initiate the Nihiliods.
Because with the new timeline, the entire War of Eternity was fought just to survive and put a stop to the Nihiliods.

Though I'm excited to try and start it...
They can wait until the time is right.

The Shrine...I need to think it through a bit before I do anything.


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@SUS

Well I wouldn't shortchange Bardock so quickly. After all, he is supposed to be stronger than Raditz, right? :p

From what I can remember, Raditz caught what I assume to be either a buckshot pellet, or a slug during the first episode when that farmer shot at him with a shotgun. From that, we know that Bardock can at least shrug off a 12 gauge shotgun. Of course, this isn't the most accurate way to find how capable he is. For that, we would need power levels. (even though power levels are about as significant as saying "really strong, due to all the power spikes. At least it gives a rough estimate on his baseline power, right?) :p

If we cab find out his power level, we can then take that and compare it to different points in the show where they state a person's power level. It might be a little bit of a stretch, but it should work.

What are your thoughts on this?

@S121

I FORGOT ALL ABOUT THAT MOMENT DAMMIT! That was one of the better moments at the beginning of DBZ :P

Also I do have some possible information about his power levels (even though those are unreliable ways to measure power in DBZ lol.)

By the time of his final confrontation with Frieza, Bardock's Power Level was around 10,000. That was with the minor Zenkai boost he had received by the injuries he had in a battle before he confronted Frieza (before Frieza blew up the planet, and nearly killed Bardock.)

Now in the special Episode of Bardock (which is actually pretty damn recent.) Bardock had survived Frieza's Planet Destroying attack, but ended up being sent quite a long way into the past to Planet Vegeta when there wasn't any Saiyan's. Due to the nature of his injuries he had sustained at the hands of Frieza before he was sent back in time, the Zenaki boost Bardock had received was quite large. It is commonly thought that one of the prerequisites before one can become Super Saiyan, is that their Power Level must exceed or be around 100,000. In Episode of Bardock, Bardock does go Super Saiyan when he sees Chilled (an ancestor of Frieza), mostly due to the anger he held against Frieza for kill his men, and Chilled only reminded Bardock of it because of him being related (and looking/acting somewhat like Frieza) to the space tyrant. Meaning that in the last moment which we see Bardock, he must have had a Power Level somewhere above 100,000 which is... surprising, as it is probably around the same power level that Goku, probably had while he was on Namek before he went Super Saiyan, though at that moment in time Goku was far stronger than Bardock would have been, even when Super Saiyan (as Goku previously had trained with King Kai, received a large Zenkai boost during his fight with Vegeta during the early Saiyan Saga, then when he was on his way to Namek he trained in a ship which had a gravity generator, and trained at 100-300x Earth's gravity [until such gravity was like nothing to Goku], then received ANOTHER Zenkai boost after his fight with Ginyu, meaning Goku at the time really was the strongest Z-Warrior, and yet couldn't even hold his own against Friez'a final form [when Frieza was only at about 50-70% of his max power hin his final form.] Well... that was until Goku went Super Saiya, and curbstomped the tyrant lol.)

So yeah since this Bardock was the one that rather than being sent back in time before being nearly killed by Frieza (when he was destroying Planet Vegeta), but rather than going back in time, Bardock had been sent to a whole other universe. Bardock still had received the same Zenkai boost, but I had to nerf him a bit so he wouldn't be too OP. I'd say he is still strong enough to go Super Saiyan, given he has the proper trigger (blinding rage) for the form. So his Power Level would probably be around 110,00 I'd say. Just a guess. Raditz's power level during the Saiyan Saga (and before he died), Raditz had a mere Power Level of 1,200-1,500. So yeah... Bardock is pretty damn strong. If a Saiyan with just a mere Power Level of 1,200-1,500 can shrug off a 12 gauge shotgun blast, and Bardock has a significantly Power Level, then it would fall into reason that Bardock can shrug off quite a surprising amount of damaged (a shot from a high powered Sniper Rifle might just be deflected off Bardock's forehead for all we know XD.)

Then again, please remember I had to nerf Bardock for the RP, in fear that he would get too powerful.

Though you should remember the wise words of Dragon Ball Z Abridged during the Frieza Saga. "Power Levels are bullsh*t" lol.

Man I wish you had access to Mumble, and your computer right about now :/