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**S121** · 10-10-2013, 12:59 AM

@Cucoo

That's the thing.

Even John has limits. He wouldn't try and drown her in an ocean, but he would help transport her out of the battle.

The only way I see Robin's plan working and where he gets killed would be if they transported her near the shore of Lake Suwa. At least then, John won't have to say to her that he was responsible for submerging her in water.

It keeps John's conscience clean, gets Flandre out of battle, and gives you the chance to get Robin killed.

**Cucoo5** · 10-10-2013, 01:00 AM

@S121

I was thinking of using wind magic on his dying breath for that part but ok :P

**S121** · 10-10-2013, 01:10 AM

@Cucoo

Oh, just a heads up, Robin is with Gold team, which means that he's too far away to reach the others in the middle. There are thousands of Nucleoids blocking his path, so you might want to do a quick edit, just to keep things flowing smoothly.

I would recommend hitching a ride on one of his tornadoes riding it to John and Miko (preferably without the razor blades in it.

).

EMERGENCY EDIT:

Let's not all forget that Tricky is about to slam into Flandre with a train.

**Kristia** · 10-10-2013, 01:12 AM

oh thank you for saying that *jumps to IC*

yes im like a protective mother XP

**Cucoo5** · 10-10-2013, 01:13 AM

@ S121

Right...
let's assume he fought his way through. Canon to what he can do sometimes as I would do In my game file, I had him pull that sort of stunt...a lot...
One time He got trapped in a swarm of enemies and lost very little health while eliminating anything that attacked him during the enemy phase. Literally...
The way enemy AI's in FE work is they prioritize attacks in this order: "squishiest" unit in range then if there is any unit in range at all. So during this incident, Robin was the only unit in range...and so it looked like the enemy was just performing suicide against him.
Though Robin is far from being the most broken unit in the game. That would go to his daughter(s). And I'm planning on introducing Morgan, All 5 ideal skills available to her...which makes her one of the most OP characters in the game.
Hence why I made the joke where the enemy commander could say
"I have an army."
Then (If Chrom was here)
"We have a Morgan."

...actually...
I need to figure out who Morgan's mother would be for this...
........hrm...

**S121** · 10-10-2013, 01:26 AM

@Cucoo

Ok.

What skills make her the most OP in the game?

**Cucoo5** · 10-10-2013, 01:39 AM

first off, the fact she has virtually access to all skills in the game (even some male exclusives).

Gale force is a skill that allows her to attack again after defeating an enemy. this makes sense in turn based...
Renewal restores 30% health at beginning of each turn
Limit Breaker adds 10 points to all stats (easily making any unit more powerful than traditional max)
Vantage allows for attack first when HP is under half
The standard issued skills for a grandmaster: Solidarity, Rally Spectrum, Ignis
Aegis and Pavise cuts damage in half when passively activated
Counter, which deals the damage done to the unit back to the attacker (unless the blow is a fatal blow)
Lethality, a low activation rate insta-kill
The "Breaker" skills, which cuts the effectiveness of any weapon used against the unit with the appropriate breaker skill in half.
Miracle, which allows a unit to sometimes survive fatal blows with 1 hp

and I can keep going through the list...

Spoiler:

**Kristia** · 10-10-2013, 01:42 AM

well then.. time to sleep, cya ^^

**Cucoo5** · 10-10-2013, 01:43 AM

@ Kristia

night night

and I might do the same soon so I can wake up earlier...

**S121** · 10-10-2013, 01:47 AM

@Cucoo

What skills is she going to have in the RP?

We might need to find a way to make them fit into the RP, or at least the ones that require "breaker skills" and gives 10 points to all stats. We need a more accurate way to incorporate them into the RP. How high do stats go in FE?

I'll admit, the insta-kill and 30% heal rate per turn might be a little much, especially against other Characters... -_-; How long would a turn be in the RP?

@Kristia

Nighty night.

**Cucoo5** · 10-10-2013, 01:53 AM

Converting things from turn-based to real-time is always the fun part...

She can have 5 skills at any given battle...
I'll have to open up my game and see what stats A grandmaster could have...and I know for a fact that I don't have the highest possible...
There's this super secret means of reclassing and leveling a unit so that they have stats grow in such a fashion you can get the highest possible.
Of course, with FE: A with unlimited levels allows for stat maxing a bit easier, but there's a mechanic that determines what the max stats are for the child units. based on the parents and combining some things and adding something else...

Anyway I have to definitely figure things out.

**S121** · 10-10-2013, 01:59 AM

@Cucoo

Ok, at first I thought you meant that she would have all of the skills in the RP.

**Cucoo5** · 10-10-2013, 02:19 AM

@ S121

Aye aye...I gotta pick out some things.
The beauty of FE is that you can make it so that it conforms to your playstyle a bit.
In awakening I just went with my army of 3 grandmasters and then had a handful of swordmasters with a few sages and snipers.

I'll figure something out eventually.

EDIT: ok stats for a capped grandmaster (My more powerful daughter of "Robin" (who in my file I named Cicero) is Nah, who was a manakete (dragon) that I reclassed to grandmaster.)

Her stats are:
HP: 80
Str: 39
Mag: 46
Skill: 39
Spd: 41
Lck: 47
Def: 38 *
Res: 37 *

All stats except Def and Res are capped on her.

Now, comparing Nah's stats to her father, Robin (aka Cicero in my file :P)

Cicero's stats (difference in parenthesis)
HP: 80
Str: 37 (-2)
Mag: 44 (-2)
Skill: 37 (-2) *not capped
Spd: 43 (+1)
Lck: 37 (-10) *not capped
Def: 39 (+1)
Res: 31 (-6) *not capped

Now, a for an enemy in endgame (there's a method to the madness here) on normal difficulty...I'll pick a dark knight (the closest thing to a Grandmaster in a sense). and I'll compare the difference to Nah

HP: 70 (-10)
Str: 21 (-18)
Mag: 26 (-20)
Skill: 24 (-15)
Spd: 22 (-19)
Lck: 18 (-29)
Def: 25 (-13)
Res: 19 (-12)

Now FE is a game where the numbers pretty much decide everything.
Next, the weapons.
Nah I have equipped with an
unforged Thoron with a
Might (MT) of 14
Hit rate of 65
Crit rate of 10

Now this is where there's a slight influence by combination of stats, but this is Nah's stats with this weapon.

Atk: 62
Hit: 152
Crit: 29
Avo: 85

Now these numbers tell what she can deal in raw, unblocked, damage and what odds she has at dodging.

Now let's look at the Dark Knight I picked
He had a forged Bolganone with
MT 16,
Hit 85,
Crit 0

This means his stats are:

Atk: 43
Hit: 135
Crit: 12
Avo: 42

Now what do all these numbers say?

Let's look at what the dark knight can do to Nah.

His atk is 43
Because it's magic, it gets blocked by res (resistance)
Nah has
Res: 37

Therefore this enemy could deal 43-37=6 dmg points in one hit.
His chance of hitting Nah is...
His hit of 135
minus Nah's
Avo: 85

Therefore...his chance of hitting her is: 135-85 = 50% chance
Now will he do 2 hits during his turn?
Now we look at speed...
His speed is
Spd: 22
And Nah's is
Spd: 41

41 > 22
Therefore, he cannot do two hits.

Now I can't remember the math for crits but basically, ignoring crits
The dark knight can do only 6 dmg on Nah on the 50% chance of him actually landing a hit.

This is the raw base calculations.

So what's the point?

Good question...It's supposed to illustrate the difference between an enemy and one of my strongest Grandmasters.
Thus putting into perspective what an Ideal Grandmaster would be almost capable of.
Which would be a few stats greater than Nah's

Anyway I'll work out the math some more...

cheers

EDIT 2: something else is affecting my math slightly

Anyway the actual things that Nah can do to that dark knight (and what it can do to her) is as follows:

Nah:
Atk on enemy: 43 x2 [aka double hit]
Hit %: 100% chance
Crit %: 10% chance

Dark Knight:
Atk on Nah: 5
Hit %: 50%
Crit %: 0%

Battle results should be:
Nah HP: 80->75
DK HP: 70->0

How this battle turns out:

Nah strikes first:
Nah's Ignis skill kicks in
Thoron deals 62 dmg
DK has 8 hp remaining

DK attacks
Attack misses

Nah strikes again
Thoron deals 43 dmg
DK HP is now 0

EDIT 3:
now a mechanic in FE: A that makes grandmasters really OP is when you team them up with another Grandmaster/Powerful unit
So having Morgan alone is gimping her incredibly. (and all those claims where I said I had robin solo through an army? I forgot that he wasn't solo per-se. Chrom's stats were added to his as I had partnered them up during that scenario.

**Katrix** · 10-10-2013, 08:21 AM

Good morning everyone

@Cucoo

Pfft, you call that OP. Watch this boss.

Something you might not notice immediately is that the player is using potions instead of just magic to heal himself. This is because if he did use magic the boss would heal as well. And I guess I don't have to mention that pretty much all attacks drain the player of all HP. The only reason that they are surviving is because they have a skill that ensures that they always have 1 HP remaining if they weren't already that low. And then there is the fact that he is lightning fast, being able to teleport behind the player when they are attacking him and counterattack or lounging at the player just to teleport back and lounge one more time. Oh, and did I mention that this boss is pretty nerfed? Just look at that life bar. He only have one bar. In KH2 and other games they have 9 or more bars I think. He is shown to have much more health in other battles in the game that aren't that difficult.

I wonder who in the RP would be able to defeat them if I didn't nerf them extremely. John have the advantage of having spartan time, but as I see it he's pretty slow and speed is definitively the key in this fight. That video showed Ventus fighting him, the fastest one of the characters. He's much harder with for example Terra, the slowest one. And as I see it Terra is still pretty fast. Maybe some of the Touhou characters can beat him. Now don't even get me started on Young Xehanort in BBS.

**Kristia** · 10-10-2013, 08:52 AM

Kingdom hearts has uber strong people, point.

and hi katrix

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