I don't find it that much of a big deal to apply Zekai's characters' skills to real life. That's like saying that Sakuya's time stop ability allows her to work as a janitor at a college.
If Zekai's character is some mercenary or soldier, and that his/her skills aren't anything but a way to kill people, then it's fine. If he/she is a store clerk and his/her skills don't benefit that job, it's fine as well, since being a store clerk doesn't need some super awesome power to do so.
[OOC Board] - All the World's a Game - Season II
03/12/2014, 02:38 AM #812
@ Wriggs + Zekai
that's not the point either.
It's converting like 345 Strength points to...he can bench press 200 lbs.
relative.
Sakuya's time stop ability is Sakuya's time stop ability.
It stops time.
that's obvious
Shulk's stream edge attack on the other hand...
can you tell me what that does? No.
Stream edge is simply a wide horizontal attack that would in game mechanic terms inflict break. What is break? well in mechanics would permit topple inflicting attacks to topple enemies. well that doesn't work here so...I had to remove that fact. Now it's actual realistic equivalent is just a horizontal slash that is kinda like Link's Great Spin Attack.
That's what we're looking for
that's not the point either.
It's converting like 345 Strength points to...he can bench press 200 lbs.
relative.
Sakuya's time stop ability is Sakuya's time stop ability.
It stops time.
that's obvious
Shulk's stream edge attack on the other hand...
can you tell me what that does? No.
Stream edge is simply a wide horizontal attack that would in game mechanic terms inflict break. What is break? well in mechanics would permit topple inflicting attacks to topple enemies. well that doesn't work here so...I had to remove that fact. Now it's actual realistic equivalent is just a horizontal slash that is kinda like Link's Great Spin Attack.
That's what we're looking for
03/12/2014, 02:41 AM #813
Saying that you can't topple people is like saying you can't roll your bowling ball to topple the bowling balls.
How else would I describe Annie's Pyromania that inflicts Stun?
It causes concussion.
What causes Break?
It causes people who can take the hit to lose balance.
Instead of holing yourselves into one mindset, you had to look at Zekai's app, see what's given to you, and apply it to as much possible outcomes as possible.
But now he/she just went to sleep and quit.
How else would I describe Annie's Pyromania that inflicts Stun?
It causes concussion.
What causes Break?
It causes people who can take the hit to lose balance.
Instead of holing yourselves into one mindset, you had to look at Zekai's app, see what's given to you, and apply it to as much possible outcomes as possible.
But now he/she just went to sleep and quit.
03/12/2014, 02:45 AM #814
Well then why didn't you guys help him instead of bashing on his app like no big deal?
I agree that some parts were not well done, like Biography, Weaknesses and stuff like that. Zekai could've made it clearer by giving us at least the tl;dr version of them.
But the weapons part looked pretty straightforward to me.
I agree that some parts were not well done, like Biography, Weaknesses and stuff like that. Zekai could've made it clearer by giving us at least the tl;dr version of them.
But the weapons part looked pretty straightforward to me.
03/12/2014, 02:45 AM #815
...you explained just now how a game mechanic of stun could work in real life.
Zekai was saying that he didn't know how.
and we still don't know what the character's weaknesses are.
I went through that site he linked and all I got was...mortal normal man with some flashy sword skills. I saw no abilities. No strengths. No weaknesses.
We were saying that he needed to explain things.
The abilities he gave...could be interpreted in too many ways. If he provided a simple "It would actually do this" in plain standardized speak that anyone can understand instead of stats that only people that played the game would understand...then things would have been better.
P.S. In xenoblade, topple doesn't work the way it sounds.
***
From the page Zekai provided, this was all I managed to get to create an app.
NPC Character of Choice: Haseo
Game of Origin: .hack//G.U.: Rebirth
Power: Mortal
Weapons: Two swords
Weaknesses: Mortal
Appearance:
Personality:
Morality: Neutral good
Biography:
The page linked is pretty much just his biography and history.
http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/Haseo
Traumas:
And that's just using that site.
Now I'm going through your apps
and I can tell you the differences
You explain things in a way that is...obvious
Yuuka's weapon
Weapons: Her parasol is used to fire and block danmaku, or bullets that are ethereal.
And you provided weaknesses
Weaknesses: Like all Youkai, Yuuka is weak against weapons and abilities tied to legends and names. She is also susceptible to fire.
Tell me where that was in Zekai's app.
Last edited by Cucoo5; 03/12/2014, 02:58 AM. Zekai was saying that he didn't know how.
and we still don't know what the character's weaknesses are.
I went through that site he linked and all I got was...mortal normal man with some flashy sword skills. I saw no abilities. No strengths. No weaknesses.
We were saying that he needed to explain things.
The abilities he gave...could be interpreted in too many ways. If he provided a simple "It would actually do this" in plain standardized speak that anyone can understand instead of stats that only people that played the game would understand...then things would have been better.
P.S. In xenoblade, topple doesn't work the way it sounds.
***
From the page Zekai provided, this was all I managed to get to create an app.
NPC Character of Choice: Haseo
Spoiler
Game of Origin: .hack//G.U.: Rebirth
Power: Mortal
Weapons: Two swords
Weaknesses: Mortal
Appearance:
Spoiler
Personality:
Haseo is a cold person, but holds a soft spot for Shino. He finds it hard to get close to people. Though not as warm, he is a great leader and is willing to risk everything for his friends. When Shino was attacked by Tri-Edge, he stopped at nothing to find out what happened to her and tried get his revenge. As he progressed, Haseo learned to trust his new friends and grew as a person. Also despite his profession as the "Terror of Death" in Roots, Haseo hates rumors and forums, disdainfully calling it "idle chatter". His preferred sources for information are PKs and "professional victims" like Bordeaux and Midori, respectively, as they are far more likely to encounter the mysterious PK, Tri-Edge, than the rumor-mills on the BBS.
Morality: Neutral good
Biography:
The page linked is pretty much just his biography and history.
http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/Haseo
Traumas:
And that's just using that site.
Now I'm going through your apps
and I can tell you the differences
You explain things in a way that is...obvious
Yuuka's weapon
Weapons: Her parasol is used to fire and block danmaku, or bullets that are ethereal.
And you provided weaknesses
Weaknesses: Like all Youkai, Yuuka is weak against weapons and abilities tied to legends and names. She is also susceptible to fire.
Tell me where that was in Zekai's app.
03/12/2014, 03:03 AM #816
1. I feel like the weakness "Mortal" pretty much sums up a lot of weaknesses that we tend to post in our app.
"Even though Derp has these awesome Herp abilities, he/she is only human."
"Despite Flerp being able to use Nerp magic, he/she is still human and can die."
He just summed it up in one word.
2. Power... well, some Character only have mortal power too. If you look at my Ellis app, I stated that Ellis is the most normal out of all Characters in the RP because he has 0 special ability. Maybe this character is the same. Maybe this character only has skilled swordsmanship and that's about it. In a world filled with power-armored beasts and gaphax Youkai
{I HEARD THAT!}
running around, he might not be able to meet the standards of the superpowered Character category, but he is more than enough of a Character to still be a good threat to many non-humans.
Heck he might be a counter to all those power-nullifying drugs that some people have been hinting about.
3. You oversimplified than you were supposed to in the weapons part. First of all, he has guns. Second, he has scythes. They all are given pictures, and a picture gives a thousand words. But you just looked down on it and mooshed it into "two swords".
What do you expect a regular skilled swordsman to wield?
A Monado?
Hisou Sword?
Excalibur from Soul Eater?
Given that the specific statistics of the weapons aren't listed and that could be a problem, we can safely infer that he uses his own unique weapons that doesn't have any gimmicks.
Of course Zekai could just add a little detail to make our lives easier, but that's no means a reason to make him/her feel nervous about the app that he took quite a bit of time to make.
P.S.: My Witch app took 10 minutes to hypothesize and 30 minutes to write. Zekai probably took 2 to 3 times longer.
"Even though Derp has these awesome Herp abilities, he/she is only human."
"Despite Flerp being able to use Nerp magic, he/she is still human and can die."
He just summed it up in one word.
2. Power... well, some Character only have mortal power too. If you look at my Ellis app, I stated that Ellis is the most normal out of all Characters in the RP because he has 0 special ability. Maybe this character is the same. Maybe this character only has skilled swordsmanship and that's about it. In a world filled with power-armored beasts and gaphax Youkai
{I HEARD THAT!}
running around, he might not be able to meet the standards of the superpowered Character category, but he is more than enough of a Character to still be a good threat to many non-humans.
Heck he might be a counter to all those power-nullifying drugs that some people have been hinting about.
3. You oversimplified than you were supposed to in the weapons part. First of all, he has guns. Second, he has scythes. They all are given pictures, and a picture gives a thousand words. But you just looked down on it and mooshed it into "two swords".
What do you expect a regular skilled swordsman to wield?
A Monado?
Hisou Sword?
Excalibur from Soul Eater?
Given that the specific statistics of the weapons aren't listed and that could be a problem, we can safely infer that he uses his own unique weapons that doesn't have any gimmicks.
Of course Zekai could just add a little detail to make our lives easier, but that's no means a reason to make him/her feel nervous about the app that he took quite a bit of time to make.
P.S.: My Witch app took 10 minutes to hypothesize and 30 minutes to write. Zekai probably took 2 to 3 times longer.
03/12/2014, 03:10 AM #817
I can't go to bed with the bashing still happening.
@Cucoo
Look at picture and click on Xth for his Xth form and I thought the site would give a weakness so sue me.
Power: Weapon Change - Allows quick weapon swap in battle
Rengeki - Doubles Art's damage, Only usable when enemy gets 3 glowing rotating purple rings around them, happens after being hit in quick succestion.
Beast Awakening - Prevents the oppenent's counterattacks by sharply increasing all attack power and movement speed.
Demon Awakening - Rapidly executes powerful magic attack, No SP is used.
Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies
Atfer using Awakening, He gets Virus Cores (number depends on emeny size) to power up his stats and weapons.
Avatar Summoning (Avatar: Skeith)
This is them in a simple "It would actually do this" format. How much simpler do you want it? and he gets more weapons when he gets a new form so I went with his last form so he has all 4 of his weapons unlocked.
@Wriggle
I did list the weapon's stats in the stat area, DS = Dual Swords, BS = Broadsword, Scy = Scythe and DG = Dual Guns. My app took like and hour and forty minutes to make.
Last edited by Zekai; 03/12/2014, 03:17 AM. @Cucoo
Look at picture and click on Xth for his Xth form and I thought the site would give a weakness so sue me.
Originally posted by Cucoo5
If he provided a simple "It would actually do this" in plain standardized speak that anyone can understand
Power: Weapon Change - Allows quick weapon swap in battle
Rengeki - Doubles Art's damage, Only usable when enemy gets 3 glowing rotating purple rings around them, happens after being hit in quick succestion.
Beast Awakening - Prevents the oppenent's counterattacks by sharply increasing all attack power and movement speed.
Demon Awakening - Rapidly executes powerful magic attack, No SP is used.
Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies
Atfer using Awakening, He gets Virus Cores (number depends on emeny size) to power up his stats and weapons.
Avatar Summoning (Avatar: Skeith)
This is them in a simple "It would actually do this" format. How much simpler do you want it? and he gets more weapons when he gets a new form so I went with his last form so he has all 4 of his weapons unlocked.
@Wriggle
I did list the weapon's stats in the stat area, DS = Dual Swords, BS = Broadsword, Scy = Scythe and DG = Dual Guns. My app took like and hour and forty minutes to make.
"No matter how strong or what power the enemy has, I will fight and protect my friends, even if it cost me my life to protect them. I will fight until I die to ensure their future."
03/12/2014, 03:11 AM #818
@ Wriggs
1. pretty much...but we don't know that's what he meant. Zekai did not state that.
2. Edward Kenway, Lucina, Nero, Eleos on my front. They don't have anything...except kenway has special vision....other than that...and Lucina has the ability to drain stamina (HP) from her enemies with Aether skill.
But he listed abilities...that aren't mortal abilities. so...how does that work? Can you tell me how that works?
I'll be honest: Lisa from PSO2 was the hardest character for me to make because...there's very little on how anything works...and w/e there is is blamed on Photons.
But then I can go on about Photons being a form of energy that seems to be the basis of most of the Phantasy Star reality that can be utilized for virtually everything. Even materializing things from thin air.
3. I was pulling only from the wiki. If it wasn't on the page linked, I didn't put it.
@ Zekai
Power: Weapon Change - Allows quick weapon swap in battle
This is obvious.
Rengeki - Doubles Art's damage, Only usable when enemy gets 3 glowing rotating purple rings around them, happens after being hit in quick succestion.
What does this mean?
Beast Awakening - Prevents the oppenent's counterattacks by sharply increasing all attack power and movement speed.
you said you like percentages
how big of a boost is it?
Demon Awakening - Rapidly executes powerful magic attack, No SP is used.
Explain? What does this limitation mean?
Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies
Explain what this is doing and what this means?
Atfer using Awakening, He gets Virus Cores (number depends on emeny size) to power up his stats and weapons.
What does this mean? How big of a boost?
Avatar Summoning (Avatar: Skeith)
what does this mean?
We're asking questions and your not answering them with the information needed to just let us understand what it means.
that list of numbers at the end of your app doesn't help either...because the question remains: what does it mean?
Last edited by Cucoo5; 03/12/2014, 03:17 AM. 1. pretty much...but we don't know that's what he meant. Zekai did not state that.
2. Edward Kenway, Lucina, Nero, Eleos on my front. They don't have anything...except kenway has special vision....other than that...and Lucina has the ability to drain stamina (HP) from her enemies with Aether skill.
But he listed abilities...that aren't mortal abilities. so...how does that work? Can you tell me how that works?
I'll be honest: Lisa from PSO2 was the hardest character for me to make because...there's very little on how anything works...and w/e there is is blamed on Photons.
But then I can go on about Photons being a form of energy that seems to be the basis of most of the Phantasy Star reality that can be utilized for virtually everything. Even materializing things from thin air.
3. I was pulling only from the wiki. If it wasn't on the page linked, I didn't put it.
@ Zekai
Power: Weapon Change - Allows quick weapon swap in battle
This is obvious.
Rengeki - Doubles Art's damage, Only usable when enemy gets 3 glowing rotating purple rings around them, happens after being hit in quick succestion.
What does this mean?
Beast Awakening - Prevents the oppenent's counterattacks by sharply increasing all attack power and movement speed.
you said you like percentages
how big of a boost is it?
Demon Awakening - Rapidly executes powerful magic attack, No SP is used.
Explain? What does this limitation mean?
Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies
Explain what this is doing and what this means?
Atfer using Awakening, He gets Virus Cores (number depends on emeny size) to power up his stats and weapons.
What does this mean? How big of a boost?
Avatar Summoning (Avatar: Skeith)
what does this mean?
We're asking questions and your not answering them with the information needed to just let us understand what it means.
that list of numbers at the end of your app doesn't help either...because the question remains: what does it mean?
03/12/2014, 03:23 AM #819
@Everyone
OK, listen up and listen good.
Zekai, we're not bashing on you or trying to be mean, but we can't just say nothing at all. There will be problems in the future with how vague things are. Stop getting mad at us. Before you say that you aren't getting mad, I can see it in your posts, even in the very first one addressing Katrix's constructive criticism.
Wriggle, don't assume it's been easy and that we've been telling him off for the hell of it. If you really think were doing a bad job, then you help him. The fact of the matter is that we've tried to be nice, but when you get sassy comments saying that he refuses to change things, it gets really hard to be nice.
This is all I've really got to say about this.
OK, listen up and listen good.
Zekai, we're not bashing on you or trying to be mean, but we can't just say nothing at all. There will be problems in the future with how vague things are. Stop getting mad at us. Before you say that you aren't getting mad, I can see it in your posts, even in the very first one addressing Katrix's constructive criticism.
Wriggle, don't assume it's been easy and that we've been telling him off for the hell of it. If you really think were doing a bad job, then you help him. The fact of the matter is that we've tried to be nice, but when you get sassy comments saying that he refuses to change things, it gets really hard to be nice.
This is all I've really got to say about this.
Originally posted by S121
Every time I see a new post on the Forum, I feel like a little kid during Christmas, all giddy.
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03/12/2014, 03:37 AM #820
Originally posted by Cucoo5
Rengeki -Only usable when enemy gets 3 glowing rotating purple rings around them.
What does this mean?
Beast Awakening - Prevents the oppenent's counterattacks by sharply increasing all attack power and movement speed.
you said you like percentages
how big of a boost is it?
Demon Awakening -No SP is used.
Explain? What does this limitation mean?
Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies
Explain what this is doing and what this means?
Atfer using Awakening, He gets Virus Cores (number depends on emeny size) to power up his stats and weapons.
What does this mean? How big of a boost?
Avatar Summoning (Avatar: Skeith)
what does this mean?
Answers
Rengeki - They appear around the enemy out of nowhere after being hit in rapid succestion.
Beast Awakening - It's doubled
Demon Awakening - Until morale gauge is depleted, roughly 20 seconds
Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies, How does this need explaination?
After using Awakening - He gets them from enemies, why does that need to be explained? Boost depends on what the stat is.
Avatar Summoning - Really? I have to explain summoning?
I really hate to say this Cucoo but HOW FU**ING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO NOT GET THIS ALREADY?! I told you what they do already. DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE SAME THING 50 MILLION WAYS BEFORE YOU GET IT?!
@S121
How can I not get mad when I have to say the same thing over and over again before you guys get it? When you guys want a, as Wriggle said "hardcore" app from an RP noob, literally a noob, it's really hard to do that.
"No matter how strong or what power the enemy has, I will fight and protect my friends, even if it cost me my life to protect them. I will fight until I die to ensure their future."