[OOC Board] - All the World's a Game - Season II

[WriggleRid3r]

I don't find it that much of a big deal to apply Zekai's characters' skills to real life. That's like saying that Sakuya's time stop ability allows her to work as a janitor at a college.

If Zekai's character is some mercenary or soldier, and that his/her skills aren't anything but a way to kill people, then it's fine. If he/she is a store clerk and his/her skills don't benefit that job, it's fine as well, since being a store clerk doesn't need some super awesome power to do so.

[Cucoo5]

@ Wriggs + Zekai

that's not the point either.

It's converting like 345 Strength points to...he can bench press 200 lbs.

relative.

Sakuya's time stop ability is Sakuya's time stop ability.
It stops time.
that's obvious


Shulk's stream edge attack on the other hand...
can you tell me what that does? No.

Stream edge is simply a wide horizontal attack that would in game mechanic terms inflict break. What is break? well in mechanics would permit topple inflicting attacks to topple enemies. well that doesn't work here so...I had to remove that fact. Now it's actual realistic equivalent is just a horizontal slash that is kinda like Link's Great Spin Attack.

That's what we're looking for

[WriggleRid3r]

Saying that you can't topple people is like saying you can't roll your bowling ball to topple the bowling balls.

How else would I describe Annie's Pyromania that inflicts Stun?

It causes concussion.

What causes Break?

It causes people who can take the hit to lose balance.

Instead of holing yourselves into one mindset, you had to look at Zekai's app, see what's given to you, and apply it to as much possible outcomes as possible.

But now he/she just went to sleep and quit.

[WriggleRid3r]

Well then why didn't you guys help him instead of bashing on his app like no big deal?

I agree that some parts were not well done, like Biography, Weaknesses and stuff like that. Zekai could've made it clearer by giving us at least the tl;dr version of them.

But the weapons part looked pretty straightforward to me.

[Cucoo5]

...you explained just now how a game mechanic of stun could work in real life.

Zekai was saying that he didn't know how.

and we still don't know what the character's weaknesses are.

I went through that site he linked and all I got was...mortal normal man with some flashy sword skills. I saw no abilities. No strengths. No weaknesses.

We were saying that he needed to explain things.

The abilities he gave...could be interpreted in too many ways. If he provided a simple "It would actually do this" in plain standardized speak that anyone can understand instead of stats that only people that played the game would understand...then things would have been better.

P.S. In xenoblade, topple doesn't work the way it sounds.

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From the page Zekai provided, this was all I managed to get to create an app.



NPC Character of Choice: Haseo

Spoiler:

Game of Origin: .hack//G.U.: Rebirth

Power: Mortal

Weapons: Two swords

Weaknesses: Mortal

Appearance:

Spoiler:

Personality:

Haseo is a cold person, but holds a soft spot for Shino. He finds it hard to get close to people. Though not as warm, he is a great leader and is willing to risk everything for his friends. When Shino was attacked by Tri-Edge, he stopped at nothing to find out what happened to her and tried get his revenge. As he progressed, Haseo learned to trust his new friends and grew as a person. Also despite his profession as the "Terror of Death" in Roots, Haseo hates rumors and forums, disdainfully calling it "idle chatter". His preferred sources for information are PKs and "professional victims" like Bordeaux and Midori, respectively, as they are far more likely to encounter the mysterious PK, Tri-Edge, than the rumor-mills on the BBS.

Morality: Neutral good

Biography:

The page linked is pretty much just his biography and history.
http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/Haseo


Traumas:

And that's just using that site.

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Now I'm going through your apps

and I can tell you the differences

You explain things in a way that is...obvious

Yuuka's weapon
Weapons: Her parasol is used to fire and block danmaku, or bullets that are ethereal.

And you provided weaknesses
Weaknesses: Like all Youkai, Yuuka is weak against weapons and abilities tied to legends and names. She is also susceptible to fire.

Tell me where that was in Zekai's app.

[WriggleRid3r]

1. I feel like the weakness "Mortal" pretty much sums up a lot of weaknesses that we tend to post in our app.

"Even though Derp has these awesome Herp abilities, he/she is only human."

"Despite Flerp being able to use Nerp magic, he/she is still human and can die."

He just summed it up in one word.

2. Power... well, some Character only have mortal power too. If you look at my Ellis app, I stated that Ellis is the most normal out of all Characters in the RP because he has 0 special ability. Maybe this character is the same. Maybe this character only has skilled swordsmanship and that's about it. In a world filled with power-armored beasts and gaphax Youkai

{I HEARD THAT!}

running around, he might not be able to meet the standards of the superpowered Character category, but he is more than enough of a Character to still be a good threat to many non-humans.

Heck he might be a counter to all those power-nullifying drugs that some people have been hinting about.

3. You oversimplified than you were supposed to in the weapons part. First of all, he has guns. Second, he has scythes. They all are given pictures, and a picture gives a thousand words. But you just looked down on it and mooshed it into "two swords".

What do you expect a regular skilled swordsman to wield?

A Monado?

Hisou Sword?

Excalibur from Soul Eater?

Given that the specific statistics of the weapons aren't listed and that could be a problem, we can safely infer that he uses his own unique weapons that doesn't have any gimmicks.

Of course Zekai could just add a little detail to make our lives easier, but that's no means a reason to make him/her feel nervous about the app that he took quite a bit of time to make.

P.S.: My Witch app took 10 minutes to hypothesize and 30 minutes to write. Zekai probably took 2 to 3 times longer.

[Zekai]

I can't go to bed with the bashing still happening.

@Cucoo

Look at picture and click on Xth for his Xth form and I thought the site would give a weakness so sue me.

If he provided a simple "It would actually do this" in plain standardized speak that anyone can understand

Power: Weapon Change - Allows quick weapon swap in battle
Rengeki - Doubles Art's damage, Only usable when enemy gets 3 glowing rotating purple rings around them, happens after being hit in quick succestion.
Beast Awakening - Prevents the oppenent's counterattacks by sharply increasing all attack power and movement speed.
Demon Awakening - Rapidly executes powerful magic attack, No SP is used.
Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies
Atfer using Awakening, He gets Virus Cores (number depends on emeny size) to power up his stats and weapons.
Avatar Summoning (Avatar: Skeith)

This is them in a simple "It would actually do this" format. How much simpler do you want it? and he gets more weapons when he gets a new form so I went with his last form so he has all 4 of his weapons unlocked.

@Wriggle

I did list the weapon's stats in the stat area, DS = Dual Swords, BS = Broadsword, Scy = Scythe and DG = Dual Guns. My app took like and hour and forty minutes to make.

[Cucoo5]

@ Wriggs

1. pretty much...but we don't know that's what he meant. Zekai did not state that.

2. Edward Kenway, Lucina, Nero, Eleos on my front. They don't have anything...except kenway has special vision....other than that...and Lucina has the ability to drain stamina (HP) from her enemies with Aether skill.

But he listed abilities...that aren't mortal abilities. so...how does that work? Can you tell me how that works?

I'll be honest: Lisa from PSO2 was the hardest character for me to make because...there's very little on how anything works...and w/e there is is blamed on Photons.
But then I can go on about Photons being a form of energy that seems to be the basis of most of the Phantasy Star reality that can be utilized for virtually everything. Even materializing things from thin air.

3. I was pulling only from the wiki. If it wasn't on the page linked, I didn't put it.

@ Zekai

Power: Weapon Change - Allows quick weapon swap in battle
This is obvious.

Rengeki - Doubles Art's damage, Only usable when enemy gets 3 glowing rotating purple rings around them, happens after being hit in quick succestion.

What does this mean?

Beast Awakening - Prevents the oppenent's counterattacks by sharply increasing all attack power and movement speed.
you said you like percentages
how big of a boost is it?

Demon Awakening - Rapidly executes powerful magic attack, No SP is used.
Explain? What does this limitation mean?

Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies
Explain what this is doing and what this means?

Atfer using Awakening, He gets Virus Cores (number depends on emeny size) to power up his stats and weapons.
What does this mean? How big of a boost?

Avatar Summoning (Avatar: Skeith)
what does this mean?


We're asking questions and your not answering them with the information needed to just let us understand what it means.

that list of numbers at the end of your app doesn't help either...because the question remains: what does it mean?

[S121]

@Everyone

OK, listen up and listen good.

Zekai, we're not bashing on you or trying to be mean, but we can't just say nothing at all. There will be problems in the future with how vague things are. Stop getting mad at us. Before you say that you aren't getting mad, I can see it in your posts, even in the very first one addressing Katrix's constructive criticism.

Wriggle, don't assume it's been easy and that we've been telling him off for the hell of it. If you really think were doing a bad job, then you help him. The fact of the matter is that we've tried to be nice, but when you get sassy comments saying that he refuses to change things, it gets really hard to be nice.

This is all I've really got to say about this.

[Zekai]

Rengeki -Only usable when enemy gets 3 glowing rotating purple rings around them.
What does this mean?

Beast Awakening - Prevents the oppenent's counterattacks by sharply increasing all attack power and movement speed.
you said you like percentages
how big of a boost is it?

Demon Awakening -No SP is used.
Explain? What does this limitation mean?

Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies
Explain what this is doing and what this means?

Atfer using Awakening, He gets Virus Cores (number depends on emeny size) to power up his stats and weapons.
What does this mean? How big of a boost?

Avatar Summoning (Avatar: Skeith)
what does this mean?

Answers
Rengeki - They appear around the enemy out of nowhere after being hit in rapid succestion.

Beast Awakening - It's doubled

Demon Awakening - Until morale gauge is depleted, roughly 20 seconds

Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies, How does this need explaination?

After using Awakening - He gets them from enemies, why does that need to be explained? Boost depends on what the stat is.

Avatar Summoning - Really? I have to explain summoning?

I really hate to say this Cucoo but HOW FU**ING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO NOT GET THIS ALREADY?! I told you what they do already. DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE SAME THING 50 MILLION WAYS BEFORE YOU GET IT?!

@S121

How can I not get mad when I have to say the same thing over and over again before you guys get it? When you guys want a, as Wriggle said "hardcore" app from an RP noob, literally a noob, it's really hard to do that.

[Cucoo5]

Rengeki - They appear around the enemy out of nowhere after being hit in rapid succestion.
enemy or him being hit?

Beast Awakening - It's doubled
So it doubles his strength and speed.
why didn't you say that from the beginning?


Demon Awakening - Until morale gauge is depleted, roughly 20 seconds
so it lasts 20 seconds. why didn't you say that from the beginning?
Now what does the ability do exactly? You mentioned a lot of rapid powerful magic...what does that mean?

Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies, How does this need explaination?
What does draining of virus cores do to the target?

After using Awakening - He gets them from enemies, why does that need to be explained? Boost depends on what the stat is.
What does the drain do (same question as above) and on average, how big is the boost?


Avatar Summoning - Really? I have to explain summoning?

Yes. What does it summon? I see a picture of something...but I don't know what it is...


P.S.

Let me show you my first app ever.
This was my first time ever making one for an RP.
I had zero experience before.

NPC Character of Choice: Robin (aka Avatar, the character you take the role of, default name is Robin so...)

Spoiler:

Game of Origin: Fire Emblem: Awakening

Power: Wields various "offensive type" magic (Fire, Lightning, wind. No dark magic...

Spoiler:

even though he seems to have something like dark magice due to his being a part of Grima

) Also has an incredible ability to "read" opponents, knowing strengths and weaknesses and moods even.

Weapons: Tomes and Swords

Weaknesses: Grima.

Spoiler:

and the fact that Validar did have an ability (most likely through Grima's power) to manipulate him.

Appearance: even though it can be changed in game, I'll just stick with the default.


Personality: (As from Wiki)

Spoiler:

The Avatar's history is shrouded in mystery, making them the army's greatest enigma. Despite this, the Avatar's skill in war tactics is unparalleled, allowing them to guide Chrom's army to victory over opposing forces greater in number and possibly even experience. They are highly ingenuitive, creating strategies on the fly and even creating new war tactics out of pure inspiration. Because of their strategic mind, the Avatar is highly perceptive of the army's feelings and can figure out the source of most people's inner turmoils in a matter of a few important conversations. Tiki notes that they are similar to Marth due to their charismatic nature and ability to befriend everyone they meet. They firmly believe in the concept of forming bonds within the army, believing that these bonds make them stronger than if they were to fight separately. After learning of their heritage, the Avatar faces a bit of inner turmoil themselves, but depending on the Avatar's choices, the Avatar finds their own solutions to their problems.

Morality: *see personality

Biography: Giant freaking spoilers. Non-spoiler version In short: he has no memory of his past, but he comes to terms with what he is.

Spoiler:

In the original timeline, after the Avatar and Chrom defeat Validar at the Dragon's Table, the Avatar becomes possessed by Grima and kills Chrom. The Avatar's conscience is completely taken over by Grima, who uses their life force to reawaken his dragon form. When Lucina attempts to escape to the past, Grima follows her to the past in the now dead future Avatar's body. Upon returning to the present, Grima tried to fill the present Avatar with his memories; however the Avatar's Heart of Grima was not strong enough to retain the memories, and this resulted in the Avatar's amnesia. However, the Avatar is occasionally flashed with their future version's memories from time to time, resulting in migraines.

At the beginning of the game, the Avatar is lying unconscious on the roadside, when they are rescued by Chrom's Shepherds. Despite losing their memory, the Avatar has great knowledge of fighting battles and serves as the vigilantes' tactician. Leading Chrom and the Shepherds through a long campaign to protect Ylisse from the Plegia, the Avatar becomes Chrom's trusted advisor for war and ultimately leads to Chrom's victory over Gangrel.

Two years after Gangrel's defeat, Valm intends to invade Ylisse. Chrom and the Avatar decide to talk to the new king of Plegia who is none other than Validar, whom was slain in Emmeryn's assassination attempt. Validar also introduces his hierophant, who looks exactly like the Avatar, and even introduces themselves by the same name. Nevertheless, Validar gives Chrom and the Avatar the necessary provisions to go to war. Later that night, a voice calls to the Avatar. Validar appears and reveals that the Avatar is his child, but flees once Chrom appears. The Avatar shakes off this event as a Risen ambush attacks Chrom's army. After nearly fending off all the Risen, one manages to warp in behind Chrom, but Marth suddenly enters the battlefield and saves him. After Marth reveals that she is Lucina, she shares a moment with Chrom, the Avatar and Lissa where she tells them about the future which she came from: a future where everyone in the army dies. If Lucina is the daughter of the Avatar, Lucina will share a tender reunion with her. Despite this new development, Chrom and the Avatar prepare to travel across Valm to stop Walhart. Occasionally the Avatar is stricken with migraines, but they ignore these headaches and focuses on their goal. After a long campaign, the Avatar leads Chrom's army to victory over Walhart and the Valmese forces.

After taking down Walhart, Chrom and the Avatar receive news that Validar is going to give them the final gemstone for the Fire Emblem, but Validar betrays Chrom and tries to take the Fire Emblem from Chrom. The Avatar, Chrom, and Lucina attempt to flee the castle, but right when they are about to escape, Validar warps in and attacks Chrom. Validar orders the Avatar to take the Fire Emblem from Chrom, which they do against their will, and gives it to Validar, who disappears after taking the Emblem. Later, Lucina decides to talk to the Avatar privately. After watching Validar control the Avatar, she deduces that the Avatar killed Chrom against their will. Lucina reluctantly decides to kill the Avatar to prevent this from happening. However, just as she is about to do this, Chrom stops her and tells her to trust in the bonds of the army, which she complies. Alternatively, if Lucina is married to the male Avatar, regardless of his choice, she will not go through with it after he tells her to find someone to keep her happy when he's gone. If the Avatar is her mother, Lucina is conflicted and cannot bring herself to kill her own mother.

The Avatar tells Chrom that if they are controlled yet again, Chrom must kill them before they kill anyone else, which Chrom reluctantly agrees to. Upon reaching Validar at The Dragon's Table, Validar reveals that the Avatar was born to be the vessel for the Fell Dragon Grima because the Avatar possesses the Heart of Grima. The Avatar bears the mark of Grima on their right hand, a symbol of their role as Grima's vessel. However the Avatar's mother, a former member of the cult, the Grimleal, smuggled themselves out of Plegia and raised the Avatar away from Validar and the cult for the safety of her child. After defeating Validar, it appears that the Avatar is "possessed" by Grima yet again and "kills" Chrom. However this is a ruse, revealing that due to a Premonition, they knew what was going to happen, so they prepared countermeasures to prevent this. The Avatar also did not really kill Chrom, but managed to pull back their power to prevent damage. The duo proceeds to take down Validar.

After the battle a mysterious black figure warps in and takes on the appearance of the Avatar. They explain that they are the future version of the Avatar where Lucina came from. The Avatar refuses to become Grima's vessel, but Grima decides that it is not necessary, since he can perform the ritual again in his current body and proceeds to awaken his dragon-god form. As Chrom and Lucina flee the building, the Avatar quickly seizes the Emblem themselves from Validar's corpse. With the Emblem in hand, they depart to Mount Prism in order for Chrom to complete the Awakening Ritual to finish off Grima once and for all. Chrom completes the trial and unlocks the true power of the Falchion. Naga speaks to Chrom and the Avatar. She tells them that if Chrom deals the finishing blow to Grima, he will not be killed, but be put back into a deep slumber. However, if Grima "destroys himself," he can be fully destroyed. Naga points them to Origin Peak to meet Grima. Upon arriving at the peak, the Avatar realizes that, since they were meant to be Grima's vessel, they have the power to slay him. However, Naga warns them that if they do that, they will perish, too, since their heart is connected to Grima's. Chrom refuses to let the Avatar sacrifice themselves, but the Avatar still considers going through it.

Chrom's army gets onto Grima's back, but are instantly struck by a spell that severely weakens the army. Grima gives the Avatar the choice to take the power of Grima or perish. Regardless of their choice, Grima pulls the Avatar into a dark void and tells them after merging that he will kill Chrom's army and severely weakens the Avatar. Out of ideas and hope, the Avatar lies in despair. However, a sound pierces the darkness: the voices of Chrom's army, telling the to stand back up and fight. The Avatar breaks free from the void and Naga fully heals the army to proceed to face Grima.

Two endings will occur based on the Avatar's choice: slay Grima with their own hand or let Chrom finish Grima. If the Avatar lets Chrom finish Grima, Grima goes back into a deep slumber, only to awaken at a later time in the distant future. The Avatar feels guilty whether they should have sacrificed themselves, but Chrom denies it by saying that everyone agreed with the Avatar's choice. In the end, with Grima asleep, the world is safe for the time being. Chrom assures the Avatar that they belong to them, not to Grima and that their future descendants will be able to seal Grima, just like they did. The Avatar still feels guilty, but their family, if they are married, will reassure them of their choice.

If the Avatar decides to slay Grima, after killing Grima, the Avatar's body begins to disappear. The Avatar shares their last words to Chrom about their friends and comrades, thanking them for their time together and hoping that they will meet again. Everyone is saddened by the Avatar's sacrifice, but Chrom gives them hope by saying that the Avatar is not dead and will return, as Naga told them that the Avatar can return if their bonds and beliefs are strong enough. Chrom and Lissa decide to look for the Avatar while the others continue to rebuild their countries and wait for the Avatar's return. In the epilogue, the Avatar is back in the same grass field where they were found asleep by Chrom and Lissa. As Chrom helps the Avatar get up to their feet, the Mark of Grima no longer appears on their hand, meaning that they're no longer connected to Grima. Chrom welcomes the Avatar back by saying that their ordeal is now over.

For many years afterwards, many historians, poets, and bards did their best to recount the Avatar's deeds, though the Avatar's history and personality was generally inconsistent in these stories. If the Avatar is married though, the only thing shared among these stories is the Avatar's love for their spouse.

Traumas: Grima. *see bio and prepare for spoilers* Non-spoiler summary: His struggles with helping Chrom and his army succeed against Grima and the Risen make him face his true self.

Notes: I need help with trying to set an "upper limit" to his magic. It's freakishly powerful so I would do everything I can to limit it but...It's just powerful. I mean...considering what he really is and the fact Thoron is OP and well...just everything about Fire Emblem magic. The only good thing is that he can't use healing magic, just different forms of offense magic.

Of course now I have a ton of things to change now that I understand a few more things completely.
But this was my first app ever.
Complete newbie.

[Zekai]

@Cucoo

Rengeki - "They appear around the enemy" Read before asking

Beast - You didn't ask by how much

Demon - It fires rapid magic attacks, How does this need to explained?

Avatar - It removes the virus from them, thought that was obvious.

After use - same as above and again, depends on the stat

Summoning - It summons Skeith, a "AVATAR"

[Cucoo5]

Ok so just a recap of what you finally told us...

Weapon Change - Allows quick weapon swap in battle

Rengeki - Doubles damage, happens after enemy is hit in quick succession. Number of times it takes to initiate still unknown.

Beast Awakening - doubles all attack power and movement speed. Duration...same as Demon awakening?

Demon Awakening - Rapidly executes powerful magic attacks that last for 20 seconds. Types unknown.

Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies. Who has the virus or how this affects someone is still unknown

After using Awakening, He gets Virus Cores (number depends on enemy size) to power up his stats and weapons. Unknown how long the boost lasts or how this works.

Avatar Summoning (Avatar: Skeith) Still don't know what the avatar does.

[Zekai]

Rengeki - Number of hits depends on the weapon

Beast - Longer than Demon by 10 seconds

Demon - Type depends on enemy weakness, one of the six elements I listed in the app

Avatar - EVERYONE has a virus, doesn't affect them in anyway and can be drained multiple times

After use - Boosts are permanent and he has to go to a certain place to use the cores

Skeith's Attacks:

Slash: Turns the 7 swords on his back into one large scythe to launch up to 4 energy waves at the opponent.
Chakram: By charging his scythe, Skeith can fire a disk-like energy blast from his scythe after his 3-slash combo
Slash Shield: The scythe can be used as a projectile deflector, by slashing at the incoming projectiles.
Energy Machine Gun: Rapidly fires energy blasts out of both hands. May stun the opponent.
Homing Shot: A multi-shot and multi-target homing projectile weapon that uses the 7 sword-like projectiles sticking out of Skeith's back.The longer "Square" is held, the stronger it gets. May stun the opponent.
Data Drain: Skeith transforms the 7 swords into a data drain cannon. On firing, the cannon opens up to reveal the data drain eye of which launches a huge ball of energy at his opponents when they protect break.

Already listed what he does.

See, if you ask the right questions, you'll get the right answers instead of asking the same thing over and over again.

[Cucoo5]

...and this is why you should have listed some of this information from the beginning and organized them together.

Problem #1

I can see where things can get OP.

If everyone has a virus and if he can do it multiple times and if the boosts are permanent...then he could keep getting more powerful indefinitely.

This is why we want this information from the get go.

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Weapon Change - Allows quick weapon swap in battle

Rengeki - Doubles damage, happens after enemy is hit in quick succession. Number of times it takes to initiate still unknown.

Beast Awakening - doubles all attack power and movement speed. Duration is 30 seconds

Demon Awakening - Rapidly executes powerful magic attacks that last for 20 seconds. Types Listed somewhere else in the app. Needs organization.

Avatar Awakening - Drains Virus Cores from enemies. Everyone has Virus cores.

After using Awakening, He gets Virus Cores (number depends on enemy size) to power up his stats and weapons. Boost is permanent. Unknown how the large the boost is.

Avatar Summoning (Avatar: Skeith)

- Skeith's Attacks:

Slash: Turns the 7 swords on his back into one large scythe to launch up to 4 energy waves at the opponent.
How potent is this attack?

Chakram: By charging his scythe, Skeith can fire a disk-like energy blast from his scythe after his 3-slash combo
How potent is this attack and how long does it take to charge?

Slash Shield: The scythe can be used as a projectile deflector, by slashing at the incoming projectiles.
What type of projectiles and assume melee is effective still?

Energy Machine Gun: Rapidly fires energy blasts out of both hands. May stun the opponent.
How much ammo/duration? how effective?

Homing Shot: A multi-shot and multi-target homing projectile weapon that uses the 7 sword-like projectiles sticking out of Skeith's back.The longer "Square" is held, the stronger it gets. May stun the opponent.
What is "square"?

Data Drain: Skeith transforms the 7 swords into a data drain cannon. On firing, the cannon opens up to reveal the data drain eye of which launches a huge ball of energy at his opponents when they protect break.
how does this affect targets? What does the highlighted mean? What is "data"?